My issues with PvP

[Chronons]

And I didn't claim more......They aren't designed to "Win". It's a fairly coherent thought process, really. But agreeing to disagreeing is a fair proposal.

Sigh.....
- I claimed a good dps can beat a good healer
- You refuted that, claiming a good dps could beat a bad healer. However against a good healer a good dps would require the help from others and stated one could go to the dueling arena to test that claim.
- I provided my personal data point from testing your claim via your proposed method. My findings were counter to your claim: In an even 1v1 matchup I can beat WHM and AST in less than 10 secs, SCH is the exception to the rule and I stipulated that it was a debatable outcome.

I am not suggesting that a healer should be able to kill a dps, the evidence I provided shows that in the case of WHM and AST it is not true that a good dps needs help against a good healer (unless they happen to be a SCH). Your ramblings on whether dedicated healers are a good or bad design choice are irrelevant to this exchange.

As an aside, I would advise you against being intellectually condescending. It is above you.

That said, we could do a little test and make an unlimited PvP only free trial to get rid of the accessibility issue. But truth be told, I doubt it would change much. I think the issue, ultimately, is simply gameplay. And since you reject the notion, I'm afraid that's another point where we will have to agree to disagree.

That is because there have been little to no arguments for systemic gameplay issues that dont rely on comparisons to dedicated PVP games. PVP in FFXIV is simply a part of the amusement park at large, where players can spend their time if they desire. Not Dota, LoL, Overwatch, CS:GO or whatever else people have mentioned. Of course PVP in FFXIV lacks some of the things games designed from bottom up for PVP have. That is not an argument for there being an issue with PVP in FFXIV. If someone would care to argue within the proper context, I am more than open to be swayed. By context I mean; PVP exists in FFXIV to give endgame players something to do when PVE content is light, Frontlines and 8 man Feast are for fun only, Ranked Feast is the only "competitive" mode in the game.

[Zojha]

Sigh.....
- I claimed a good dps can beat a good healer
- You refuted that, claiming a good dps could beat a bad healer.

No, you did not and I did not.
THIS is what you said:

However, all it takes is one good dps to burst down a good healer.

To which I stated my own experience with burst. From my experiences, you need about 3 seconds worth of stun to burst down a healer, or you fail to burst - a quick purify saves you, as it allows you to act and actually do something about being bursted. And a good healer would do just that. THAT is what I said.
Further, I can quote my own posts again if you like, just to show you that none of them contains anything about the healer killing anything after the burst, which you allege I said. It's not there, it's not even implied, you're wholeheartedly invited to re-read them over and over. Send them to a communications specialist for thorough analysis if you must. You're making it up, then base your argument on it, disregarding not just mine but even your own words in the process even when confronted about it. If I hadn't criticized someone elses ad hominem earlier, this would provide me more than ample opportunity for some myself. I'll leave it, but I cannot help but shed doubt on your "data point" in the light of it.

That said, to the other topic:
You are giving the "context" far more credit than it deserves. The MOBA genre originally was confined to custom maps of strategy games, i.e. irrelevant side attractions without official support. Despite this, these maps were highly popular and the genre completely exploded when they started making F2P stand-alone games of it. One of the most prominent games of its time, Counter-Strike was originally a half-life mod - again not intended for the main game. Valve was smart to buy it up quick, because it swiftly became popular. In the context of the respective games, both were irrelevant user generated side content, not even part of the main game. Despite this, the most successful PvP games currently on the market sprung from them. This leads me to believe that context is not in fact all that important for success and I really couldn't imagine the PvP in this game to become a big hit on the market if it was turned into a stand-alone game like the mods of other games have. I think it's just not good enough designed for that, in large part due to carrying the PvE design baggage around.

I can be wrong there of course, since it's all speculation. Hence why I'd like an unlimited free trial for PvP! It would show nicely how well the gameplay fares on its own. Alas, we're not in the position to decide that.

[Chronons]

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Im not going to quibble with you about whether or not "a good dps can beat a good healer" and "all it takes is one good dps to burst down a good healer" mean the same thing. I defined my position multiple times and it remains for others to read for themselves.

I never alleged anything about healers being able to kill. I briefly mentioned it when discussing SCH in the dueling arena, why you have chosen to laser in on that despite my last post clarifying my position is beyond me.

3 seconds of stun required to burst down a healer:
MNK- Ax kick, Somersault, Shoulder Tackle, Arm of the Destroyer, Steel Peak
NIN- Ill Wind, Overwhelm, Jugulate, Shadow Fang
BLM- Night Wing, Sleep
SMN- Shockwave or Landslide or Crimson Cyclone, Miasma
MCH- Stun Gun, Blast Shot, Blank, Head Graze, Suppressive fire
BRD- Blunt Arrow, Blast Shot
DRG- Spineshatter Dive, Leg Sweep

Every DPS has multiple CC abilities at their disposal. Some are better than others of course. A dps should be more than capable of generating 3 seconds of interruption. If one cant bait out the Purify before using secondary/tertiary CCs, then we aren't talking about a good dps vs a good healer.

Also, its only ad hominem if I insult you as opposed to engaging with your argument. As you can read in my earlier posts, I effectively did both.