DPS obsession in farm groups

[Watachy]

On the subject of Zurvan, I should point out, you know, what Zurvan is ACTUALLY for: getting a high-level weapon. Not everyone who farms Zurvan are farming A12S as well - they want to down him for a chance at a weapon, and could care less about birds.

Why would you ever farm a primal for a weapon when the most broken weapon is casual-friendly ? (talking about the relic)

[FeliAiko]

Snip.

While I agree with some players the motive behind wanting to skip Soar is because they can't do the mechanic, the prevailing reason is that not skipping Soar is a huge visual indication of bad performing DPS, since the requirement to skip it isn't that high. The issue is, the type of people who got away with not bothering to learn their openers (or their Job) properly in previous trials are now put on the spot because a good opener is practically the difference between seeing Soar and avoiding it entirely. Even worse is when you have 5-6 DPS and you still see it, so you're basically putting the burden on the single Tank and Healers, with no benefit of getting a faster clear (i.e. the intent behind having extra DPS to begin with) anyway.

[Elleia]

In party's I've been usually IS the high dps making the "easy" mistakes. Due to the fact the become over confident about the fight that they just don't care.

Plus at the end of the day mechanics is what define the outcome. Once you have the mechanics of the fight sorted the DPS will come into play.

Just to play devil's advocate, soar isn't explicitly a "you died because you messed up" mechanic. You could be exactly where you're supposed to be - but if someone else is out of place, they can kill you. That's why people try to skip it and minimize the chance of someone in the party messing it up.

[Yeol]

I've had a dps drop from a farm party because it was too casual for him. Even though we were actually farming Zurvan EX.
He should be happy that this group was farming and not wiping.

[AlphaSonic]

Why would you ever farm a primal for a weapon when the most broken weapon is casual-friendly ? (talking about the relic)

Because some people, including me, aren't willing to do more than 1 relic xD.

[randysquirrel]

People saying how handling mechs is more important than skipping soar... except there are no mechanics at all until soar. there is no healing to be done either.

is not standing inside an aoe fire circle considered a mech now lol

[Dzian]

People saying how handling mechs is more important than skipping soar... except there are no mechanics at all until soar. there is no healing to be done either.

is not standing inside an aoe fire circle considered a mech now lol

It is a mechanic and it's even a mechanic people can't do properly. Cos stacking and baiting those circles is omg so difficult...

And its funny cos something this simple can be why you don't skip soar cos the dps are out of range to hit the boss for several gcds.

[aesteval]

Why would you ever farm a primal for a weapon when the most broken weapon is casual-friendly ? (talking about the relic)

The time sink grind behind the relic makes it very much not casual.

[Aquaslash]

And that's where this comes to a head: skipping soar doesn't require top DPS. It requires a proper opener. That's about it.

It's a way of gauging the group DPS immediately, without needing to go through a whole run to see if you're up to snuff.

The requirement to skip a mechanic shouldn't be on the friggin floor. This is why Zurvan is a trash fight. For a phase skip done right, look at A11S and Lapis Lazuli. That one requires everyone to be on their A game, as well as a bit of planning. Sophia has a decent one to a lesser extent (skipping a quasar if pushed to 75% before adds) but that one gets chaotic if you don't see it coming.

I'm hoping Zurvan is the last floor level phase skip we see so that people learn how to actually do mechanics

[LineageRazor]

Why would you ever farm a primal for a weapon when the most broken weapon is casual-friendly ? (talking about the relic)

Anyone who thinks that relic weapons are for casual players has no idea what they're talking about. While the content required is casual enough, the quantity required of that content puts it WELL outside the capabilities of a casual player.

If you think a player new to endgame - even a player who is NOT casual - can obtain a relic weapon in less time than they can acquire a Zurvan weapon, you are dreaming. Well, again, assuming that the player isn't constantly booted from every farm party because his gear isn't high enough to put out the DPS they want.