DPS obsession in farm groups

[Aquaslash]

instant gratification content like Savage

Whoa there! Let's give Savage the respect it deserves. Getting thay clear is easier said than done for a lot of people; especially since you HAVE to learn the mechanics. I know I've wasted way too many hours wiping with groups on Lapis Lazuli during my A11S prog days

[Cordie]

Whoa there! Let's give Savage the respect it deserves. Getting thay clear is easier said than done for a lot of people; especially since you HAVE to learn the mechanics. I know I've wasted way too many hours wiping with groups on Lapis Lazuli during my A11S prog days

Sorry? Respect? I'll tell you about respect: the respect the dev-team repeatedly fails to display towards grinders. We get a half-baked grind for lesser gear with no other paths every patch; we get a relic lacking both in requirements (yeah, because if raiders can't do it on the side that will be a disaster) and in item-level/stats for the ENTIRE EXPANSION UNTIL THEY RUN OUT OF CONTENT.
So, no, I don't owe any respect to savage, much less to raiders who simply "justify" a poor endgame design.

[LalaRu]

The dps obsession is the result of have removed punishment for dps "too much" and party wiped for eating more mechanics at same time, dps will never learn to hold the trigger so SE adjusted to them. Now mechanics are skipped, and raiding become a dps gimmick.

[VeliusVire]

You can either grind Relic for your weapons and be behind Raiders in terms of gear, or you can Raid and get geared ahead of time. Bam, done. Because for starters, if you're not raiding, you don't NEED any i270 gear, let alone i260 gear, everything in this game can be cleared 20 ilevels below the cap of each Patch cycle[3.0-3.1/3.2-3.3 etc]. You are acting like a spoilt brat and it's unbecoming. If Savage is really as easy as you make it out to be, then why are you sitting here and complaining? Go get your 'easily, non-grindy' gear, I'll check back with you in a few weeks. SMH the audacity of people.

[Cordie]

You can either grind Relic for your weapons and be behind Raiders in terms of gear, or you can Raid and get geared ahead of time. Bam, done. Because for starters, if you're not raiding, you don't NEED any i270 gear, let alone i260 gear, everything in this game can be cleared 20 ilevels below the cap of each Patch cycle[3.0-3.1/3.2-3.3 etc]. You are acting like a spoilt brat and it's unbecoming. If Savage is really as easy as you make it out to be, then why are you sitting here and complaining? Go get your 'easily, non-grindy' gear, I'll check back with you in a few weeks. SMH the audacity of people.

I don't need to be explained the situation, and it doesn't change the fact it shows a marked disrespect towards grinders.
Interestingly, I also have no desire to play with people that are already in my utter-trash/raiding/etc category.
Most interestingly, I am not too keen to support a flawed and single-sided model designed to cater to the action-games audience imported to an RPG series title, like you are.

[Kitfox]

...it doesn't change the fact it shows a marked disrespect towards grinders.

There's no disrespect, this game just isn't designed for the grinding kind of gameplay. The whole game design with the time gates, weeklies and dailies is catered towards people who log on for a couple of hours daily, or a few times a week. You're quite frankly in the wrong game if you're looking for something else.

I am not too keen to support a flawed and single-sided model designed to cater to the action-games audience imported to an RPG series title

Why are you playing this game again then? I would try something like Black Desert for that super-grind-itch.

[MistakeNot]

There's no disrespect, this game just isn't designed for the grinding kind of gameplay. The whole game design with the time gates, weeklies and dailies is catered towards people who log on for a couple of hours daily, or a few times a week. You're quite frankly in the wrong game if you're looking for something else.

If you do all the dailies, every day, then that is a whole lot of grinding - and mind-numbingly boring after the first week or two, since you won't have time to do much else in-game.
I'd say the game is actually designed for grinding. Else there wouldn't be all these dailies/weeklies that are near-mandatory to do if you want to keep up gearwise.

[Dzian]

If you do all the dailies, every day, then that is a whole lot of grinding - and mind-numbingly boring after the first week or two, since you won't have time to do much else in-game.
I'd say the game is actually designed for grinding. Else there wouldn't be all these dailies/weeklies that are near-mandatory to do if you want to keep up gearwise.

That's half true. but to be honest I disagree with the won't have time to do much else argument...

primarily because once you've done your expert / any other dailies you may need and got your weekly drops. there's not much else to do...

the reset was Tuesday, I ran dun scaith, got my ultima accessory and weekly item. upgraded a piece of my shire gear. and that's it I'm done for the week... (couple of experts on random days ill be capped in scripture)
today reset scrips. spent an hour capping reds and that's that done for another week...

the only thing left to do really is grind aether/lights on my relic. or maybe join a bird farm if I feel so inclined.

[Kitfox]

If you do all the dailies, every day, then that is a whole lot of grinding - and mind-numbingly boring after the first week or two, since you won't have time to do much else in-game.
I'd say the game is actually designed for grinding. Else there wouldn't be all these dailies/weeklies that are near-mandatory to do if you want to keep up gearwise.

I disagree strongly from the perspective of design.

There's a major difference between a daily bonus and a weekly cap than no cap, no bonus. Most people only do one or two roulettes a day, that's not hard to keep up at all. You don't do everything, only the things you need/want. Just because there's a lot of content, doesn't mean the design dictates you have to it all and keep grinding different things. The relic quest is the only thing in the game with extremely high "cap" (having all weapons) and qualifies as grind-content, in my opinion anyway. Rest of the content REWARDS you for doing it LESS, aka not grinding, by giving you bonuses and making it more valuable time wise to only do one roulette per day, instead of grinding all day/week long. That is DESIGN suggesting and rewarding you for playing less, not playing more which would be a grindy-design.

"Grind by design" is made by having no bonuses or caps what-so-ever. You would literally have to grind 24/7 to keep up with the "best" players because there are no limitations on time spent on activities. That's grinding for real. FFXIV is far cry from it.

[VeliusVire]

How are you being disrespected, you are being rewarded /as good/ as raiders for /a quarter of the effort/ over /a longer time/. You're not disrespected, you're spoilt and experiencing a tantrum, there's a difference here. Raiding is grinding as well, you spend weeks or months on a fight, that's not instant gratification so I recommend you open a dictionary before spewing nonsense. And the fact that you apparently categorise people kind of shows exactly how immature you are, clearly you're taking this /video game/ too seriously and I recommend you take a few steps back before and gauge your emotions regarding said topic properly.