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  1. #81
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    Malzian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    ...what I told u that can spec into shield swap to work off without blocking, and dark knight can spec into delirium to be turn into slashing debuff instead...
    O.o.... Man, you would have to give up something REALLY powerful for these to not be OP builds that you would end up required to use.

    As a side note, though... Do you know that Shield Swipe used to not be based off of blocking? It used to be an on-GCD skill that cost 60 TP. No one used it because it was a horrible DPS loss. They changed it to be what it is to make it MORE useful, which it is and you should be using it when it procs.

    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    make it like u can go into ur skills page and u can add and subtracts points on each skill, as for 8 man content hard mode those can be steamroll through and for savage and ex, it would mostly be done in static or with people that akready have a idea how the game and mechanic work.
    First, the system wouldn't be able to be limited to just when you're with your static. Second, those can be steamrolled through because everyone coming in sees the jobs and knows what tools they can expect to see. Also, sorry to break this to you, but in an age of 'pull as soon as it loads', no one is going to wait for you to respec. People don't even wait for Protect anymore.
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    Last edited by Malzian; 02-16-2017 at 05:08 AM.
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  2. #82
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    Jandor's Avatar
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    Tal Young
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    O.o.... Man, you would have to give up something REALLY powerful for these to not be OP builds that you would end up required to use.

    As a side note, though... Do you know that Shield Swipe used to not be based off of blocking? It used to be an on-GCD skill that cost 60 TP. No one used it because it was a horrible DPS loss. They changed it to be what it is to make it MORE useful, which it is and you should be using it when it procs.
    It still required a successful block to be used, even when it was on-GCD. It's main use was that its 40 TP cost enabled you to go a bit longer in fights before running out of TP.
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  3. #83
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    Lynne Asteria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    O.o.... Man, you would have to give up something REALLY powerful for these to not be OP builds that you would end up required to use.

    As a side note, though... Do you know that Shield Swipe used to not be based off of blocking? It used to be an on-GCD skill that cost 60 TP. No one used it because it was a horrible DPS loss. They changed it to be what it is to make it MORE useful, which it is and you should be using it when it procs.
    You still had to block to activate it, it just used TP and was on the GCD.
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  4. #84
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    Malzian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jandor View Post
    It still required a successful block to be used, even when it was on-GCD. It's main use was that its 40 TP cost enabled you to go a bit longer in fights before running out of TP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    You still had to block to activate it, it just used TP and was on the GCD.
    I don't recall the blocking req... But it's been a while since that change happened. You'd still have to give up something strong in exchange for making it a 'use whenever' skill.
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  5. #85
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    Blue Waffles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    O.o.... Man, you would have to give up something REALLY powerful for these to not be OP builds that you would end up required to use.

    As a side note, though... Do you know that Shield Swipe used to not be based off of blocking? It used to be an on-GCD skill that cost 60 TP. No one used it because it was a horrible DPS loss. They changed it to be what it is to make it MORE useful, which it is and you should be using it when it procs.
    it would benefit pld offtanking if u can spec into shield swipe for it to remind a ogcd that don't need to work off of block proc.
    and as for what ur giving up, remebmer u have limited set of point, u can give up on reduce CD for Hallow Ground, or Turn Shield Bash into OGCD ... stuff like that.
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  6. #86
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    Malzian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    it would benefit pld offtanking if u can spec into shield swipe for it to remind a ogcd that don't need to work off of block proc.
    and as for what ur giving up, remebmer u have limited set of point, u can give up on reduce CD for Hallow Ground, or Turn Shield Bash into OGCD ... stuff like that.
    If I could do that as fast as I do gear sets with one or two clicks... that would be fine. I don't agree that a meta wouldn't arise but as long as it doesn't become an inconvenience, I'd be alright with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    As a side note, though... Do you know that Shield Swipe used to not be based off of blocking? It used to be an on-GCD skill that cost 60 TP. No one used it because it was a horrible DPS loss. They changed it to be what it is to make it MORE useful, which it is and you should be using it when it procs.
    I didn't start until latish in the Beta, but it was already on-block unlockable weaponskill costing 40 TP at that time, and stayed as such until its conversion to an oGCD on a 15s CD in HW...
    The change reduced mob and enmity control in dungeons, and was only a faint dps increase for those at or below a 2.4s GCD.
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  8. #88
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    Malzian's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    I didn't start until latish in the Beta, but it was already on-block unlockable weaponskill costing 40 TP at that time, and stayed as such until its conversion to an oGCD on a 15s CD in HW...
    The change reduced mob and enmity control in dungeons, and was only a faint dps increase for those at or below a 2.4s GCD.
    I simply didn't recall the req, as I stated before.
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