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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    Think of this way, instead of best build and most optimal choice, what if u can spec a dps into a off tank instead of using 2 tank, or u can spec a OT more into a dps, same goes for Heal into more dps oriented.
    There will still be an optimal choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    There will still be an optimal choice.
    true there will still be an optimal choice, but now u have different build of playstyle that are neccessary in a raid comp, like having 2 tank, one can be spec more into offtank build and the other into more maintank build, same with dps like spec into foe can turn it into physcial resist down, while the other bard can spec into another area, so having 2 of the same classes wouldn't hurt. the truth is, u can't always get what u want, like how the current meta is brd,drg,mch,nin,drk,war,ast, and sch, how many static have u been in that is missing 1 or 2 classes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    true there will still be an optimal choice, but now u have different build of playstyle that are neccessary in a raid comp, like having 2 tank, one can be spec more into offtank build and the other into more maintank build, same with dps like spec into foe can turn it into physcial resist down, while the other bard can spec into another area, so having 2 of the same classes wouldn't hurt. the truth is, u can't always get what u want, like how the current meta is brd,drg,mch,nin,drk,war,ast, and sch, how many static have u been in that is missing 1 or 2 classes.
    You will always be missing 1 or 2 classes (more now) because there are more than 8 jobs. I raid as a PLd, and it doesnt stop me from clearing stuff. Also, I almost never see a bard and a mch in the same group, usually its one or the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    You will always be missing 1 or 2 classes (more now) because there are more than 8 jobs. I raid as a PLd, and it doesnt stop me from clearing stuff. Also, I almost never see a bard and a mch in the same group, usually its one or the other.
    Let ur a pld and don't have a nin and war, but have a mnk instead, what I told u that can spec into shield swap to work off without blocking, and dark knight can spec into delirium to be turn into slashing debuff instead, so u really do have a choice depending on ur group comp and can't base it off whats the most optimal build.

    Quote Originally Posted by Malzian View Post
    My big question here is, how do you change spec? Can you change it through a menu in the instance before the pull? Do you need to use an item or currency to respec? Do you need to visit an NPC to respec?

    If you can't change these on the fly in the instance what you will invariably get are 2 tanks (for 8 mans) in DF going either, "We're both spec'ed for Main Tank." Or, "We're both spec'ed for DPS." For the fact that you can not know whom you will be paired with and how their setups will be, it is difficult to know how to handle the content. It also means that the Devs have to work harder to try and make every spec for every makeup viable. It's untenable and unrealistic to expect that with the DF. People have set builds already and don't know how to play them. This would just make everything worse.
    make it like u can go into ur skills page and u can add and subtracts points on each skill, as for 8 man content hard mode those can be steamroll through and for savage and ex, it would mostly be done in static or with people that akready have a idea how the game and mechanic work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SundayTrash View Post
    Think of this way, instead of best build and most optimal choice, what if u can spec a dps into a off tank instead of using 2 tank, or u can spec a OT more into a dps, same goes for Heal into more dps oriented.
    My big question here is, how do you change spec? Can you change it through a menu in the instance before the pull? Do you need to use an item or currency to respec? Do you need to visit an NPC to respec?

    If you can't change these on the fly in the instance what you will invariably get are 2 tanks (for 8 mans) in DF going either, "We're both spec'ed for Main Tank." Or, "We're both spec'ed for DPS." For the fact that you can not know whom you will be paired with and how their setups will be, it is difficult to know how to handle the content. It also means that the Devs have to work harder to try and make every spec for every makeup viable. It's untenable and unrealistic to expect that with the DF. People have set builds already and don't know how to play them. This would just make everything worse.
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