Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Reinha]

My bow is lvl 250 its just my accesories and helmet which is item lvl 150. Everything else is 250 and i dont have 2 cross class abilities. I never had an issue up until now because im so late into the game that everyone is looking for speedruns and currency from dungeons. I appreciate your comment and i understand what i need to invest time into. You just find it hard when you only got a handful of hours a day to do something with the already long que times for a DPS. Im averaging 1.5k a hit and 1k or so with normal heavy shot if a combo is used correctly im doing over 2.5k. Never hit 3k tho lol

Oh, you already have a 250 weapon? :O Sorry, I didn't bother checking your gear before. Weapon damage is the most important aspect of your gear so going by that alone you are geared enough for the instance. If the weapon had been 150 then the effect would be totally different.

Actually after checking your gear I see you've used a few tank accessories which might be what gave the mentor a bad impression about you. It's not good form to boost your item level with off-job accessories. However, I actually went and calculated what stats you'd have at the minimum item level. You would have 720 dexterity at ilvl 200 with one 210 ring (using full Aiming gear), and currently you have 776 dexterity and far superior weapon damage. By no means are you undergeared for the instance despite using some vitality accessories. The people giving you crap for that are simply wrong.

The only thing you were missing in that dungeon was cross class skills and in my opinion that doesn't have a big enough impact to warrant a kick from a normal mode dungeon. Normal mode raid though, maybe.

[MeridaQ]

No you seem to misunderstand. It is the OP who keeps claiming their damage was bad because their gear is low. Not because perhaps they were playing their class wrong.

No read back at the comments, the assumption was made and projected upon the OP that there damage was bad. There is no way we can check whether it was the OPs damage or the other DPS/Tank/healer.

[BlackCross]

Nice straw man bro, I was responding to the fact that you brought up that mentors shouldn't kick and actually give advise in which I said nobody is defending the mentor for not doing his job. When I said 'OP cannot be surprised to get kicked' was because they didn't have adequate gear and didn't have the cross classes that if they even cared about their role, they should have done the research and got them by level 60.

They had adequate gear for the dungeon, they just aren't helplessly overgeared for the dungeon like most people are at the moment. They cannot get new, better gear if they can't complete dungeons. How are they supposed to gear up otherwise?
Also, I agree that those skills are important to do their job, but at the same time, I expect mentors to tell new players that instead of insta kicking. I mean, I once had a co-tank who had no provoke on Alexander NM and it was painful so I do know.

[MeridaQ]

I might have used a strong word to describe the need for the ability, sure it isn't mandatory in the same way tanks need provoke, and you can do good dps without it, but at the same time you're willfully gimping yourself.

And after she was given that advice she will most likely work toward it. Given her time constraints it might take a couple weeks but that's fine and I would hope she didn't get kicked for not having cc skills when she is still leveling for them.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

Yes, how dare we expect from a mentor to teach, give tips and maybe have the patience to help a newbie through a dungeon which may (horror of all horrors!) take 5 minutes longer!
And how dare we expect of them to say to OP: "Before next dungeon, make sure to level lancer to 35, it gives you two vital skills for dps" instead of immediately kicking.

My bad for being such a hater of the poor, abused mentors I guess

Don't say 5 minutes longer so lightly, it's only 5 minutes yes but people are very defensive about time being wasted. They were well within their right to kick for playstyle differences, ask any GM.

[Freerider]

I think we are missing something important here. maybe we should offer op a different kind of advice. Because at the end of the day you can only improve your play. So first better gear: market board has gear that goes as high as 250. Next let's talk about improving dps, even if they don't want to cross class anything does Op know all of their own skills and what each one does at level 60 my guess is maybe not. So let's talk options Op has that some of us older players "mentors" didn't starting out. Stone Sea and Sky is a great example that didn't exist when I started playing, and is a great way to learn the rotations. Next up hot bar set up, does Op have the skills they truly need set up in a way they can get to them? I play on ps and it took me a bit before I could click through 3-4 bars comfortably, so they should set their priority skills first. I mean there is many ways to improve you just have to take small steps.

[Deithwen]

Im glad you havent left because for 1 I really like your perspective on things but 2 how wrong you are. Stating what did happen to me was wrong. I wasnt overgeared yes. I didnt invest in raising the lvl of other classes for CC yes. But seeing as I wasnt toxic, said hello and stated i was new with knowledge of the mechanics AND meeting the ilevel requirements means i possessed the abilities to clear that instance. No other way around it you cant tell me im wrong. THAT is my issue. Not your parenting advice.

You cheated the Ilv requirements by equiping Vit gear instead of Dex gear. Not only that but you don't even have the mandatory cross class skills for a DPS, not even invigorate.
I also suspect that you have no clue about your rotation, hiding behind the excuse of "being new". Well at this level and playtime I'm affraid you can't really use that excuse anymore.
I would have kicked you as well, but I would have explained it to you why though.

[JunseiKei]

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*Considers.*

Alright, I'll give you that. However, their follow up posts don't exactly reflect your sympathy, so while considered, I have a hard time buying into the logic. I had even stated, in my first post when I was sympathetic to their plight, that they met the minimum ilevel requirements and all, they should be fine. It wasn't until I looked them up and saw they lacked things that contribute to the real reason of why they are being kicked. I say real here because we are not given all of the information, so it could simply be worded that way to garner to 'mentors suck' mentality, made all the more enticing since this is currently a trending topic on the forums.

There is something else at play here. The devs do design things for people to catch up, while having also said at one point that they are many players that are just not good. A good player in minimum gear can easily pass mechanics and fulfill their role. A bad player that is overgeared may still be kicked for playing poorly and contributing to mechanics being failed, though it would be harder to pin point it's their fault because of the gear. However, once it's noted that DPS is low, and especially if you've played the class/ know openers, it's very easy to find out exactly who is causing the issue. I'm still not saying it's justified to kick for low DPS, despite all this.

[Venoshock]

And after she was given that advice she will most likely work toward it. Given her time constraints it might take a couple weeks but that's fine and I would hope she didn't get kicked for not having cc skills when she is still leveling for them.

Yeah, I know. I never once said I was in agreement with a mentor outright kicking without giving advice first(according to OP). I would of told the OP what they needed to do if I was that mentor. What I'm getting at is that people on this thread HAVE done that and the OP is being incredibly argumentative WHILST using their 'New player' status to defend themselves instead of being humble and taking advise or shit, even asking how to get better.

The attitude the OP has displayed so far, in my opinion is self-centered, and unwilling to learn. What put the cherry on top...multiple cherries on top was calling someone offering advice, an elitist and saying how it's their sub so they can play how they want.

[Sylve]

I can assure you that if you had done more to be prepared for Sohr Khai, then no one would think about kicking you. You mention the minimums but seriously, if I had a kid and they came home from school with straight Ds and told me it was okay because they met the minimums, I wouldn't throw them a celebration. I would throw them into a jail cell with nothing but a teacher and textbook.

Done more to prepare for it? Do you mean you want them running instances below their current ilvl that give barely any Lore for days on end so that they can overgear a duty so that YOU can get through it 5 minutes faster?

The process in XIV is bloody simple.

You get the minimum ilvl for a duty.
You run that duty over and over until you have the gear from it and enough currency to get better gear.
Once you have the minimum ilvl for the next duty, you move to that and repeat the process.

The OP Met the minimum ilvl. Attempted to run the duty and was kicked.
How in the hell do you expect this player to get better gear if they are literally being blocked from doing the content that will allow them to get better gear?