Lootmaster... is it cheating?

[Seig345]

I don't feel like it's cheating, but I do feel like motivation for others to join such a party once it's near full might be lower than one going by luck of the roll. Lots of people are likely to ditch once they get what they want, leaving the last few people to join out of luck unless the party leader continuously brings new people in, but it has to stop eventually, which means eventually the latest players to join will be SOL. Ideally the party intention from the start would be that no one leaves until everyone has one, but some people are greedy/dishonest, and for others life simply happens and they have to leave.

At least with rolling, everyone has an equal chance at each whistle, so even if the party disbands before everyone has it, they've had at least one solid chance at it (or at least a chance to have a chance at it assuming it doesn't drop on the last run ;p)

[Lone-wolfe-02]

How is it greedy (or immoral, as another post wrote) to get the first reward yourself in exchange for organizing the party and then giving the rest of the rewards first come first serve? That's pretty much the epitome of fair and the opposite of greedy.

You honestly believe they would stick around for all 8 people to get their mount?, some might sure but i doubt the majority would.

Fairness would be everyone has an equal chance of getting the mount aka normal loot rules, loot master on the other hand those who come last may as well not joined at all.

[Jingai]

Hi everyone,
I'm the FC Leader that Arielyanna originally made the post about.
I appreciate all of the comments in regards to this. I was feeling pretty horrible last night after it all happened, as it was never my intention to cause any trouble.
I thought PF with Lootmaster would be the best way for me to finally get the last pony I needed. For several nights I've had pretty horrid luck getting them due to really low rolls.
My PF was listed as "Unsyced for your WT. Lootmaster in case Pony drops."
In hindsight, I guess I could've made it more clear or spoke up sooner. I figured if they joined, then they understood. I'm not the type to try and cheat anyone and spent 5 hours on Ifrit earlier trying to help others get the mount. I just hate being viewed as a douche, or a cheater, or morally dubious, because I was all ready to stick around to help the rest who joined, but people just dropped angrily and I was left not knowing what I had done wrong. =(

[Aramina]

There was nothing dishonest or immoral about what you did. Would I join a lootmaster group? Maybe, maybe not. Probably not, but that doesn't change anything. You outlined your rules, people chose to not read them and that is on them.

[Canadane]

So many people can't read party descriptions it's quite funny.

[Riardon]

It is not cheating. It's your own fault if you consent to something like this. Learn how to read the party descriptions and learn how to check the loot rules on the pop up window when someone applies to a trial.

[Martin_Arcainess]

No it's not, if you put that loot master is in effect and when your duty pops it states that loot master is in effect and no one mentions, reads anything about the loot master and then carries on with the duty and completes it then it's there fault for not reading.

If you don't agree with it, don't join simple as. Too many people just see the instance and join and not reading.

Honestly, would you drive right past a stop sign? get pulled over by the police and then moan at them for pulling you over because you didn't read the stop sign?


anyway I loot mastered A1-A12 to help boost my sis up who just hit LV60. I put in PF and said in party before we went in and everyone was fine about it.

Why did I choose loot master? Because I don't trust randoms.

[Jetstream_Fox]

You honestly believe they would stick around for all 8 people to get their mount?, some might sure but i doubt the majority would.

Fairness would be everyone has an equal chance of getting the mount aka normal loot rules, loot master on the other hand those who come last may as well not joined at all.

First come, first serve. You can't guarantee anyone will stay on normal loot rules, nor can you guarantee that the last player who joins on normal won't still get the loot last. That's the issue with RNG based systems, however with Lootmaster, you have the option of obtaining said loot, even if someone before you joins, the possibility of them quiting out and you moving up is still a likely possibility, yet you remain promised the next drop via rule set.

[ffchampion]

Reading is a hard skill, more people should do it.

As a moral perogative, for me personally, the Lootmaster should never get first pick. It builds trust if you have the power to allocate loot but you choose to receive it last. Taking it first is viewed as being a dick because people perceive it as abuse of power.

well in my case i've been after this exact pony for over 2 weeks now. every.single.group i've had more than half leave after the first one when no pony drops. wondrous tails has made farming parties that much harder thanks to people who don't follow the rules

[ffchampion]

You honestly believe they would stick around for all 8 people to get their mount?, some might sure but i doubt the majority would.

Fairness would be everyone has an equal chance of getting the mount aka normal loot rules, loot master on the other hand those who come last may as well not joined at all.

My Bismark bird was from a lootmaster one where i was the last member. it took us less than 1 hour 20 mins to get all 6 (1 person already had 1)