PSA: If you're joining a clear/farm party and you're learning, please don't join.

[HyperiusUltima]

I'm starting to get tired of this quite a bit in Cross-World PF. I do like the idea of CW PF, but the problem is rising ever more in Savage, given people are attempting to climb the wall of mechanics to get to the next area.

I've been doing this for three weeks straight, and literally I'm getting a lot of issues with people not knowing mechanics or the fight.

Note: I, in no shape or form, discriminate against those who would join. This is only an advisory given my experiences as of late.

All I ask is that people read the PF and understand what's happening and not TLDR it because it goes to '...' after enough characters.

[Callinon]

I'm starting to get tired of this quite a bit in Cross-World PF. I do like the idea of CW PF, but the problem is rising ever more in Savage, given people are attempting to climb the wall of mechanics to get to the next area.

I've been doing this for three weeks straight, and literally I'm getting a lot of issues with people not knowing mechanics or the fight.

Note: I, in no shape or form, discriminate against those who would join. This is only an advisory given my experiences as of late.

All I ask is that people read the PF and understand what's happening and not TLDR it because it goes to '...' after enough characters.

If your description is so long it gets truncated, perhaps aim for pith.

[Edewen]

Im confused.

So farm is for people who know the fight. Clear is for people who know the fight.

How about this. Just say no bonus. If you have a bonus and can't say no bonus, then either deal with people learning it in the learning/clear parties or get a static group to clear it so you can say no bonus too.

PSA this guy is whining because people aren't up to his skill expectations

[HoodRat]

So farm is for people who know the fight. Clear is for people who know the fight.

Farm is for people who can run content multiple times without wiping.
Clear is for people who know enough of the instance to clear.
Learning is for people who do not know enough to clear.

PSA this guy is whining because people aren't up to his skill expectations

You apparently aren't aware of how bad the playerbase of this game is. Take Zurvan Ex for example. With a standard composition (2 tank, 2 healer, 4 dps), you can still easily skip the first soar. All people have to do is have a good opener and know their rotation, yet some groups with 5 or even 6 dps can't skip it. It's amazing how people can reach the level cap, gear up their class to do endgame content, and then still have no clue what they're doing.

[Dzian]

Farm is for people who can run content multiple times without wiping.
Clear is for people who know enough of the instance to clear.
Learning is for people who do not know enough to clear..

This pretty much. you shouldn't join a clear party unless you've seen enrage or know the fight well enough to get it down to single digits... if you can barely make it to the third phase then you should be joining a learning party....

this is my beef with raid finder and why I think it needs restrictions. people shouldn't be able to set the "duty incomplete > duty completion" option unless they've got the boss down to like 10% or less. because if you haven't got that far you clearly should be choosing "Practice" instead of "duty completion"

would also help party finders aswell because it wouldn't let a clear party queue if someone hadn't made it that far in the fight. kind of like how if someone who needs the clear joins a farm. "one of your memebers does not meet requirements"

with both Sophia and zurvan ex. raid finder was horrendous, because although I had them at 5% or lower I kept getting grouped with people that couldn't even clear adds.... or survive the first gnosis / soar...

[Elladie]

I rarely use PF. Used it back in the day for Coil but we were usually using it to learn fights ourselves so encountered few problems. I've read many threads about this issue, though, and it seems to me you're probably not going to get very far with your request. I wouldn't dream of joining a clear or farm party unless i had already cleared the fight myself and knew it well enough to be confident that I'd be an asset rather than a liability. I imagine most decent folks take the same tack. So anyone joining your clear/farm who hasn't already cleared it is either ...
A.) a very competent player who's researched the fight and has justifiable confidence in their abilities
B.) a player who thinks they're the above (nothing you say to them will convince them otherwise, sadly)
C.) someone who doesn't care about wasting your time and ruining your evening
D.) someone who positively enjoys wasting your time and ruining your evening
None of the above are going to take any notice of you asking that they don't join your PF, either because they firmly believe it doesn't apply to them, or they don't care. The folk who WILL listen wouldn't have tried to join your PF anyway
Sadly I can't think of any solution to this ...

[Parker_Petrov]

I personally think if you're putting clear party in your title you should expect new people. As to me if i see clear party i'm thinking these are people trying clear this fight. So if i haven't cleared it i'm okay to join this. As you have either cleared this or you haven't. There is no in between or almost. An almost clear is still not clearing it. You're doing something wrong or haven't grasped some mechanic that has prevented you from clearing so you're in the same boat as everyone else who is trying to get a clear.

If you don't want people without clears in your group just say No Bonus. That very obviously means if you haven't beaten this yet go to a different party. I fully agree that farm party would denote the same thing. If you are putting Farm Party in PF then that should denote you can consistently clear this content.

[Parker_Petrov]

Had to break this into a second post. So I apologize for the double post.


In my opinion, a bigger issue is people who need to write more than can be displayed so it clips off part of the description. If you have a description so long it can't easily be determined what you're wanting. You get who you get and, shouldn't be complaining.

[HyperiusUltima]

Had to break this into a second post. So I apologize for the double post.


In my opinion, a bigger issue is people who need to write more than can be displayed so it clips off part of the description. If you have a description so long it can't easily be determined what you're wanting. You get who you get and, shouldn't be complaining.

Yeah, but typically people should bother to read the description and not be illiterate because it's simple as hell people. All one has to do is MOUSE OVER or CLICK and read before joining to see what criteria people want. It goes miles for the people trying to raid if you bother to READ.

[Tsubaki75]

I personally think if you're putting clear party in your title you should expect new people. As to me if i see clear party i'm thinking these are people trying clear this fight. So if i haven't cleared it i'm okay to join this. As you have either cleared this or you haven't. There is no in between or almost. An almost clear is still not clearing it. You're doing something wrong or haven't grasped some mechanic that has prevented you from clearing so you're in the same boat as everyone else who is trying to get a clear.

Ummm no, there is a very distinct difference between a learning/progression party and a clear party. If you haven't seen the entire fight and can't do the mechs into single digits you need to be in a learning party. And this is exactly why you need to click on the post and read the whole description "learning 3rd phase" ect. It is for your benefit and the benefit of the party trying to complete a specific goal.
And just because you have a clear it DOES NOT mean you have the instance on farm.