Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Yeol]

If a tank needs Apoc, then they need to RE-examine their CD rotation. Otherwise it's just useless and excessive mitigation that would've been better spent dealing more dps, since even a half second delay in the gcd is a dps loss.

So even if used at a large pull when you are just running behind the tank is a dps loss? Good to know.

[Nixxe]

So even if used at a large pull when you are just running behind the tank is a dps loss? Good to know.

I suppose it would be, although a negligible one, since you could cast Scathe with it instead.

[vigioX-Sun]

I don't think a healer should be kick for doing DPS or no.
But saying that healers should only heal an that's it sounds like the words of an unskilled healer.
But again it always depends on the group, Bad tanks an DPS will keep a healer busy 24/7
Good tanks/DPS will leave a lot of room for a healer to dps.

[Ash_]

Oh how I am glad to be on a JP server where these types of arguments don't exist. If a heal just wants to heal? No problem. They want to DPS? Great.

The only content that I need to full time heal myself is final form diablos in DS if I'm in group B... because derplanders. Everywhere.

[Greedalox]

Incorrect. If the tank needs it, they screwed up their own cd rotation.

So what you're saying is that I'm not incorrect, and there's a time and a place for it? Mistakes happen, maybe they needed to pop extra CD's to soak a little more during unforeseen chaos. Pretending like Apo has never been used to save a tank is silly. PLUS you can effectively use it in the stead of a tank CD to save for something else in the near future, perhaps letting the healer DPS a bit more

It's like saying Summoners BRez is bad because it's only used when things aren't going perfectly.

[Awful]

I said it before and i will say it again, if a DPS ask a healer to DPS, I guess your DPS suck that much you need to ask someone else to do it for you, so instead of asking a heaelr to DPS why dont you stop being lazy and learn your rotations so you can do those "speed runs" better?

Also, tanks, If you ask a healer to DPS, I would ask you to go full sword oath and just do "damage combos" not a single "enmity combo" for the entire run and your enmity MUST be higher than the whole party, if you cant do that, you are lazy and you are NOT playing your class well.

No this is all wrong you're ignoring a huge portion of your toolkit not helping out to DPS it's not about "speed clears" it's about waking people up about this black and white issue when it really isn't black and white. If you are sitting there with a thumb up your butt, spamming Cure/Physick or whatever and i'm at 80%+ hp I expect you to DPS it's not an elitist thing it's a "your 60 now you know what's expected of you as a level 60 class". This isn't Tam Tara where you can Cure spam over and over, this is max level content where you have Holy, Assize, Asylum etc I expect you to be using them as it's common sense as a player who has all the tools available to them. If you can't handle DPSing and healing at the same time then maybe you should practice or learn how to be a better player for your own sake, i'm a tank at lvl 60 i'm not gonna hit Unleash and 1-2-3 and that's it you expect more.


As for tanks and mass pulling, yeah I pull in Grit and I drop it with my Defensive cooldowns and spam Dark Arts+ Abyssal Drain it does tons of dmg and heals me so the healer can continue DPSing without even worrying about me and I'm contributing tons of AoE dps. And guess what? I never lose threat even when i'm out of Grit, AoEing or using my single target DPS abilities on trash/bosses, i'm using defensive CDs and the dmg isn't like "OMFG WTH HEAL HEAL HEAL!!!" nothing in dungeons will hurt a tank or even one shot them unless they're dumb enough to sit in AoEs.

I ask healers to DPS not because our DPS sucks but to contribute to the party and use their toolkit in max level content no one wants an Ice Mage, a drg spamming 1-2-3 thrusts, healers sitting around 90% of the time doing nothing or tanks just doing their 1-2-3. It's just lazy and unneeded.

I think the vast majority of the posters in this thread understand how roles work. Most of them also understand when there are opportunities to expand past these defined roles into other aspects of their kit effectively, therefore adding a positive contribution to the group in the process.

This ^

[randysquirrel]

If a tank needs Apoc, then they need to RE-examine their CD rotation. Otherwise it's just useless and excessive mitigation that would've been better spent dealing more dps, since even a half second delay in the gcd is a dps loss.

apoc is oGCD so there is no delay
It's a niche ability and not needed very often but do not spread false information that it is a dps loss, when it isn't. my tank asks for it when taking the time add in a12s, this isn't that he has messed up his cd rotation, but requires those cds after the boss lb and they are not off cd if he uses a big CD there. there is no reason for me not to use apoc if he requests it here to save him a CD

[TaleraRistain]

Oh how I am glad to be on a JP server where these types of arguments don't exist. If a heal just wants to heal? No problem. They want to DPS? Great.

The only content that I need to full time heal myself is final form diablos in DS if I'm in group B... because derplanders. Everywhere.

LOL I dunno my data center groups still keep me pretty busy throughout that raid I love it, though. I'm a healer who dps's because we have downtime. I'd rather have less downtime and more to do in my main role.

[Lambdafish]

We already know healer DPS is not considered from a dungeon design point-of-view.

Sigh... I wish Yoshi P hadn't made this quote, because since he has it has been warped and manipulated to suit agendas. What WAS said is that on a raid level, they do not count tank and healer DPS on the final calculations of defence and health (and I guess enrage timer), which means that the minimum base requirement for beating the fight involves no healer or tank damage and optimal DPS damage. The reason for this is that gordias DID take into account tank and healer damage, and it caused problems for party building and overall meta that has persisted throughout the expansion.

Dungeons are tuned to be easy for everyone, and I doubt this has anything to do with whether or not they are looking at tank/healer DPS, rather just scaling everything down to suit testing.

Also (because I know this will be pointed out), accuracy was removed from gear to promote the idea that healer DPS was not a requirement in raids and to patch up some of the damage that gordias did. They then went back and re-enabled accuracy (or rather lowered the accuracy cap I believe) for dungeons because of the complaints about how healer DPS in dungeons is fine (something that shows that the devs are fine with healer DPS in dungeons).

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

they do not count tank DPS).

I'm pretty sure the quote in question was that they count both tank and dps. The only concession was that for the Mt, they only count the MT's dps as just enough to hold hate, with no such concession for the off tank.