Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Clearly to engage in a pointless aggro war with the MT and make the DPS pull their hairs in frustration over the ever spinning boss.

lmao how true this is

[Altena]

Incidentally, I find that even when dps stancing dungeons, the dps don't tend to be that great, so even with big pulls a run can take 20 mins+. I'd rather go as a deeps, since I have a run of 15 or lower with a one or two minute wait.

Woah wait what?

Sorry this is a bit of a dated response but 15 min runs in a DR:Expert with the healer not being heavily DPS'ing?

Sorry, but you are delusional if you think you are achieving that kind of time without quite moderate healer DPS.

[Rennies]

If that is the case then get SE to get rid of healers all together and go with 3 dps and a tank if you don't need a healer.

This will actually happen if SE decides to remove Cleric Stance and doesn't compensate Healers with MND based damage. PLD does more than enough with Clemency.

[Malzian]

This will actually happen if SE decides to remove Cleric Stance and doesn't compensate Healers with MND based damage. PLD does more than enough with Clemency.

PLD Clemency is quite OP as a healing spell, but lords the MP cost... You can try to Riot Blade to get it back in some reasonable time, but on bosses with severe tank busters it just won't cut it and you need a healer.

[Rennies]

PLD Clemency is quite OP as a healing spell, but lords the MP cost... You can try to Riot Blade to get it back in some reasonable time, but on bosses with severe tank busters it just won't cut it and you need a healer.

There are very few dungeons which can't be cleared without Clemency. If one can't, a second tank would solve the problem anyway. As a healer who DPSs throughout 95% of my average dungeon runs, it is quite clear to me how little healing is required (and therefore how much these 0 DPS healers are being lazy asses).

[Risvertasashi]

This will actually happen if SE decides to remove Cleric Stance and doesn't compensate Healers with MND based damage. PLD does more than enough with Clemency.

Some groups already do this, the biggest obstacle is just that you need to get 4 people together.

[Malzian]

There are very few dungeons which can't be cleared without Clemency. If one can't, a second tank would solve the problem anyway. As a healer who DPSs throughout 95% of my average dungeon runs, it is quite clear to me how little healing is required (and therefore how much these 0 DPS healers are being lazy asses).

This is true when you're talking about over-geared healers and over-geared tanks, not necessarily for those just getting to that content. If your a lvl 60 geared healer running Haukke with a lvl 60 geared tank then, yes, you should be able to DPS fine through it. If you're an on-level, moderately geared healer with an on-level, moderately geared tank then you're going to be spending a LOT more time healing than DPSing. All comes down to circumstance.

However, I am of the camp that if you have time to stand around you have time to DPS. I stance dance with Cleric all the time when I'm healing, but then all my healers are 60 with average iLvl 200+, so I can afford that extra time when my single Cure I heals the tank for half their HP.

[Rita1989]

Heal with SCH without the fairy, and then let me know if you have time to DPS.

That would still be pretty easy you underestimate how easy healing is in dungeons throw up an adlo and you have plenty of time to dps

[Lambdafish]

You're assuming everyone else in the party has the same mindset as you as well. Even if they do and don't like how the one person is playing, SE has made it clear that kicking based on differing play styles is acceptable. So by this logic I'm sorry, a party kicking a healer for doing dps instead of purely healing is perfectly acceptable and justifiable. /thread

If everyone in my party had the mindset of hating the fact that I fill the gaps between heals with DPS spells, and had the audacity to kick me for doing my job well, then I really don't want to be in that party.

The point is that if a healer just idles while purely healing, the rest of the party has to work harder, if a healer follows their ABC and casts DPS spells, then the party doesn't have to work as hard and clears content faster. Please tell how these are both equally likely to be frowned upon?

I have a question.. If a Healer's job is only to heal..

What does an Off-tank do?

The better question is what does an off-healer do?

[TaleraRistain]

If you're dpsing and not doing your job healing, then yes. You should be kicked since apparently you don't understand the purpose of the role. If that's not the case and you're adding optional dps while maintaining party health, then no, you shouldn't be kicked.

As for the point on whether healers should dps or not, dps is based on healer comfort level. And groups have to stop trying to force healers to get to that comfort level. Being able to dps efficiently requires knowledge of the fight and when you have points of downtime. You must let the healer come to find those places on their own, or they will struggle trying to fulfill a secondary role.