Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Elyncia]

People that say that healers should be kicked if they DPS too much and cause a wipe, you aren't helping at all for the cause. Mistakes happen, and sometimes you miscalculate. Nobody complains when you do a mistake with your DPS rotation so don't complain when a healer fucks up because of mistakes. How are they going to learn if they don't experience mistakes. (As you can see my english level is great /s)

Bullshit.

As if people insta kick if a healer doesnt heal cauz of dpsing (or even if he is not). But yup, if you wipe 3 times or even more because of him, he is elligible to votekick, nomatter what.
Currently, it's not an issue that healers want to dps, it's even better if they do so but the problem is they ONLY just do that. And wipe because they only care about being a DD, its like dps (role) using only 1/2/3 and tanks just dpsing without building aggro.

[Bixillarla]

People that say that healers should be kicked if they DPS too much and cause a wipe, you aren't helping at all for the cause. Mistakes happen, and sometimes you miscalculate. Nobody complains when you do a mistake with your DPS rotation so don't complain when a healer fucks up because of mistakes. How are they going to learn if they don't experience mistakes. (As you can see my english level is great /s)

I rather them not DPS and compelte the duty with no wipes than them try to DPS and mess and cause a wipe which makes the duty longer. Healers should not be doing DPS they should be concentrating on keeping everyone alive.

[AlexanderThorolund]

How has this gone on for 27 pages.

The answer is simple.

No. Healers should DPS. End of.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

If you could get vote kicked for DPSing as a healer. That is, going beyond your job description and making the run much faster, I'd quit healer in a heartbeat.

[ElHeggunte]

I rather them not DPS and compelte the duty with no wipes than them try to DPS and mess and cause a wipe which makes the duty longer. Healers should not be doing DPS they should be concentrating on keeping everyone alive.

Sigh. And the problem is, in the majority of this game's content it's unnecessary for a healer to be healing 100% of the time. If no one needs immediate healing and you have nothing else to do, why wouldn't you DPS in between? Seems lazy to me to just sit on your hands like that, but the lengths people will go to to maintain their mediocrity no longer surprises me.

A healer DPSing in between healing is keeping the party alive, by the way. Helping to make mobs die faster increases the effective HP of the entire group just like an absorb shield. The faster something dies, the less damage it deals, and the less you have to heal.

Of course a healer should learn when and when not to help DPS, but outside of a tank being undergeared or a little overzealous with their pulls, you should have plenty of time to at least throw out the occasional Aero or Stone in most scenarios. You don't even have to stance dance if you're not comfortable. That reduced damage (from no CS) is still far better than the zero damage from not casting at all.

Maybe if I encounter a healer that refuses to deal damage in their downtime, I'll make sure they don't have any downtime by intentionally taking avoidable damage. Sounds petty, but by their logic, it's my job to deal damage not avoid it.

[Leanna]

You should actually read the thread before commenting, but I will help you out a bit...

a) Most have said that it does *not* warrant a kicking but will cause the others in the group to look askance at the refuses-to-dps healer.
b) A lot of the comments, my own included, are not from the dps who need to "learn their jobs" but rather from other healers.

You're welcome.

Wasn't talking about you, but the people who insta-kick someone for a stupid reason like "He/she doesn't play like I want".
Not everyone talks about you nor to you.

[Ghishlain]

How has this gone on for 27 pages.

The answer is simple.

No. Healers should DPS. End of.

Because there are players that use their bias of other MMOs in this game when most common MMOs have healer's uptime healing quite a bit versus FFXIV.

I will amend your statement though. If anyone wants to play this game at a high level:

All players should be optimizing their GCD usage.

Usually for Healers this means trying to fill their GCDs with DPS abilities while maintaining party health but their will be instances a healer won't be able to do this due to level sync / inept play (from both the player and their party members) / new players to a fight or dungeon / etc.

[edit] This topic is pretty tiring overall.

What most anti-DPS healers fail to understand is you're not always going to need 100% uptime healing so if you want to help the run go smoother and faster add some DPS abilities to the mix. You won't even know an excellent healer is an excellent healer as they'll maintain your health while outputting a very healthy amount of DPS.

What most pro-DPS healers fail to understand is that not everyone can or has the capability to play on their level. Sure some players are bad and some may be lazy but not everyone can suddenly become God at playing a healer in this game. Healing is straight forward. Healing while DPSing requires a level of forethought that some people are just incapable of. I don't personally DPSing while healing hard but I can see how others may have a barrier of entry to it that can cause issues.

Overall if you want to breed higher level of healer play and competence, it's important to encourage healer's to optimize their GCDs and not discourage them with belligerent, asinine, and toxic behavior as it'll just cause a further divide on the issue.

[Rennies]

Wasn't talking about you, but the people who insta-kick someone for a stupid reason like "He/she doesn't play like I want".
Not everyone talks about you nor to you.

It's not a stupid reason to kick someone when they're LEECHING. :0

Anyone who purposely doesn't contribute at all to the ultimate goal of "kill the enemies" is leeching.

[Rita1989]

I rather them not DPS and compelte the duty with no wipes than them try to DPS and mess and cause a wipe which makes the duty longer. Healers should not be doing DPS they should be concentrating on keeping everyone alive.

Sorry but that what separates a average/good healer from a bad one they can keep the party alive while DPSing and managing OGCD and have no worry that they will cause a wipe, fights in this game are very predictable and once you have ran them a couple of times you know when damage is coming and know when you can DPS freely.

For example a good healer will use benediction as a normal OGCD to DPS freely without having to switch out of clerics and a bad one will hold it potentially the entire fight/dungeon because they were holding in cause someone messes up.

[Aylis]

I rather them not DPS and compelte the duty with no wipes than them try to DPS and mess and cause a wipe which makes the duty longer. Healers should not be doing DPS they should be concentrating on keeping everyone alive.

Sounds to me you've been grouping with healers that heal or try to dps the hard way and not the easy way. As a healer that has forever been good with multitasking in games. From the start of the dungeon to the end of the dungeon I have only the parties tank on target. Still I can stance dance to my hearts content, use my full array of damage spells on monsters and heal spells on the party, even the single target ones. Cure any party members afflictions, emergency rebuff any of the party and everything in between. All without breaking target off the tank.

All it took was a few hours to set up the macros in the game to get it done.