Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Fevelle]

Pro-tip: stop taking DF seriously and stop stressing over people's playstyle.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Thank you. This is exactly what I wanted to hear.

I never said once that I'd complain if a healer is dpsing or not. I am pointing out that I won't complain, or call out, any healer that isn't dpsing. Would I prefer to have a healer dps? Sure, who wouldn't? Do I care that they are not? No.

I am a part of "this community," and I choose to focus on my own play, and be as good as I can be in any situation. If that means picking up my dps when the group seems slow killing things then that's what I do....that is my job as a dps....to adjust. I am accountable to myself as far as being the best I can be at what I do. I do not, and cannot, expect anyone else to think the way I do, or play the way I do. This is how I choose to "shape" my community.

It is actually outlined in Hall of the Novice, but this person is pulling up info that gives a very very brief description of their primary role. Most of the info is wrong in the Q and A guides i.e 14 day free trial and the caps for it.

Most have pointed out this but he has waited for the one response to agree with him and say community. All the way through story/class quest instances you have to fight and heal, yet as soon as someone hits a dungeon it's the I heal only mentality. Why have all the actions on your hotbar if you are not going to use them.

Well.
For AST in particular, they've got a skill on a 40(60) second cooldown that heals more the less hp the target has. Essential Dignity.

There's been many times I've let the tank drop low, and with how the server works, casted a Benefic 2 and weaved in Essential Dignity as Benefic 2 finished.

Lol I do this all the time in DF with randoms and friends. I can hear the tank on discord go "mase" "mase"while I chuckle on the inside.

[Clethoria]

Pro-tip: stop taking DF seriously and stop stressing over people's playstyle.

All these months of playing and I still don't get why people just dont find or form a FC to do this kind of stuff with. Hell, even a Party Finder with "Healer must DPS" will make it clear without running into the character limit.

[AutoWhit]

I do not, and cannot, expect anyone else to think the way I do, or play the way I do. This is how I choose to "shape" my community.

It is actually outlined in Hall of the Novice, but this person is pulling up info that gives a very very brief description of their primary role.

Most have pointed out this but he has waited for the one response to agree with him and say community. All the way through story/class quest instances you have to fight and heal, yet as soon as someone hits a dungeon it's the I heal only mentality. Why have all the actions on your hotbar if you are not going to use them.

If you choose to chastise and call people out for not going above and beyond what their role is then that is the community YOU wish to shape. I choose to worry about myself and my personal ability, not people I have no control over.

[Kikoten]

I'll DPS as a healer when I'm 100% confident that nobody is going to eat a big attack and die the moment I activate Cleric Stance.

Yes, that has happened, more times than I'd like to count. If there were no Cleric Stance, and healing and damage were both based on Mind, it might be easier for me to quickly go back to healing when someone eats a big one.

[Bixillarla]

Why have all the actions on your hotbar if you are not going to use them.

I don't have the DPS skills on my hotbar.

[LalaRu]

When unpleasant people kicks me from a duty, they are making me a favor, because I will not eat penalty to be able don't stay with them anymore.

[Crysten]

If it wasn't acceptable to take 85+ minutes to clear a dungeon, SE would set the bar lower. Once again, if you cleared it, even if it took you to the very last second to do it, makes you minimally good. Or perhaps 'viable' would be a better word? Your party produced enough damage and Healing to kill all the things within the allotted time. Congrats. You've achieved the minimum possible standard to finish the duty.

"Minimum standard" and "good" do not mean the same thing.

[Malzian]

Honestly my opinion on the matter revolves around the following 3 points:

1) You are not implicitly required as a Healer to DPS in most content. Generally speaking, aside from end game Savage raids, healer DPS is not a requirement to clear content. DPS from a healer is nice, but most of the content isn't tuned to expect or require it in any form or fashion.

2) Being willing and able to DPS as a healer when you do not have the need to heal will typically make the content go faster. If you and your group are fine tacking on an extra few minutes to a dungeon run, that's fine, but most people try to get in and get out as quick as possible since that is more efficient for leveling and gearing.

3) If you're a good enough healer, no one should really even notice that you're swapping between healing and DPSing. Provided you know your role and skills, along with knowing the fights, your transitions between healing and DPS can become seamless enough that, unless someone is watching your bar like a hawk or really watching those DoTs, they should never know that you spent 10 seconds swapping to Cleric, cast a few damage spells and switched back.

In the end, 'You do you.' But you should expect that everyone's going to have their own opinion and some people will express that opinion more loudly than others.

[Taika]

If you choose to chastise and call people out for not going above and beyond what their role is

It's not about people "not going above and beyond what their role is", it's about all party members making an equal effort towards the party's goal and setting the bar at same level for everyone. A healer who refuses to DPS is simply not participating as much as their other party members*. If it's not ok for a tank or a DD to only use one skill per minute and be considered a "good enough" player, it should not be ok for a healer either. That's why keeping the party alive and doing some DPS should be what's considered the minimum level of participation from a healer (again, apart from certain very specific circumstances).

Expecting someone to go "above and beyond" in healer role would be to expect them to maximise their DPS while they optimise (= minimise) their healing. And absolutely no one in this thread is suggesting that should be the standard.

* I actually tried once doing an expert as WHM without doing any DPS. As a result, I was active 17% of the whole dungeon while the rest of my group members were active 72-77% of the dungeon - while my overheal was still 36%. Here's the whole story and a video of that run.