Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Aquaslash]

I don't understand this. I am leveling a white mage on the side and it's just like, how do you sit there doing nothing? Shoot, half the time I don't even change stance to throwa rock at someone. It's the least I can do instead of tossing heals at the tank when he drops below 90%

Maybe I should play Scholar instead

[Zojha]

Assuming all 4 members of the party are achieving their primary role, a duty will succeed.

I don't think that successful duty completion is a very good standard. Consider, there are 90 minutes on the clock. If successful duty completion was the only criterion that mattered, it would be perfectly okay for DPS to deal so little damage that it takes 85 minutes to complete the dungeon. They do their primary job (dealing damage), even if not very well, and the duty does not fail, so according to that criterion, it would be acceptable.

I think it is obvious or should be obvious that this is of course not acceptable and consequently think that this is not a suitable standard to measure by. A suitable standard should not lead to undesirable results if applied to other roles.

[Voltres]

What is this 2007? Or are you still at a young age where you think being the prettiest social butterfly is what you should absolutely prioritize?

Did I hurt your feelings, butterfly?

[Aquaslash]

Better not get in a group with me then. I am there not heal and keep people alive not dps. I do not dps on my healers, if I want to dps then I will go on a dps job.

There is no requirement to dps as a healer, our job is to keep everyone alive so they can do their job.

Stop playing Scholar

[Syll]

The fact that they're clearing content makes then a minimally good player. Just good enough to get by. If they tried, they could become a great player. Maybe even an excellent player if they really put effort in.

A bad player is one who fails duties, dragging down the players they're grouped with. There is no grey area with that. You can be 'good' enough to clear basic content. But any kind of 'bad' is enough to fail duties.

I believe you should revise your definition of what makes a player 'good'. I would agree with your version, ONLY if we were discussing solo content. I'm not even talking about Healers DPS'ing/not DPS'ing but clearing content is in NO way an indicator of skill. Horrible, horrible players clear content every day because they are burdens that are carried by better players.

As an example of this, at any given time I can go into party finder and find FCs advertising to get you any clear on any content for a price... By your definition that player who paid for the clear and died in the corner at the start of the fight would still be classified as 'good' because the content was cleared.

[Sylve]

It's not outlined by square enix, but it's rather outlined by the community.

Not taking you out of context here, merely using you to debunk this:

DPSING as a healer is part of their job, as i already said the game has been designed this way and if you want an ingame-clue try the hall of novice.

The devs have straight up told us that they did not design healers to be used as damage dealers in party play, but were happy to let players do it because it was just creative use of ingame mechanics.

Regardless, feel free to do the absolute bare minimum. Have a tank stop doing skills once they've established Agro. Have DPS in your party just do auto attacks. That isn't fun for me, but obviously that seems acceptable for you.

Except no one does this. No one. Nor is anyone advocating it.

If a Tank actively stops hitting things, they're plain bad. If a DPS stopped using skills, they're no longer fulfilling their primary role. If a Healer stopped healing, theyre no longer doing their job. A party of people behaving as such will not clear the duty.

Why do you equate a Tank that doesnt stance dance to maximize damage or a Healer that isn't slipping in and out of Cleric Stance to people that are literally afking?

The ONLY thing the party gains from a skilled tank and healer maximizing their damage outputs while also fulfilling their primary role is a faster clear time!
What you are doing is crying about random groups not being super efficient.

You said yourself that it is the community who decided that Healers must contribute damage at all times. Yet there are members of the community who clearly disagree on what makes a player acceptable to party with.
If you're using the Party Finder to make your own Parties, set your own damn rules and what roles you expect of Healers and Tanks.

In the DF, where you will encounter random players of varied skill and confidence, you have no right to enforce your own opinion of how others should play there. You're demanding they change their playstyle to suit YOU. Thats what the Party Finder is for!

[Vexander]

Maybe Healers should be given something else to do when there isn't anyone to heal, rather than DPS to be honest. I would not be opposed to healers having a selection of buffs/debuffs with cast times to eat up a bit of that downtime but provide some utility to tanks/dps. Not unlike what AST has currently, just less gimmicky. Something to increase survivability or decrease enemy survivability.

[Nixxe]

If I have nothing to heal, what else am I supposed to do? I can run around in circles, jumping and being a distraction all day, but I suspect helping to kill things faster is more constructive. Besides, that's very much in line with healing. By reducing the amount of time the mob is alive, you reduce the amount of damage it deals to the tank. You're helping to prevent a need for healing! DPS is basically an absorb effect. In conclusion, if absorb effects are not allowed for healers, then kick all the scholars and nocturnal sect astrologians, regardless of what they're doing. :^)

[Arg0n]

If a DPS stopped using skills, they're no longer fulfilling their primary role.

What if he smashes just one button / one skill?

He does damage - what is his job - but it tooks a lot more time to clear the dungeon. Is this acceptable for you?
Or tanks which aren't using their defensive cooldowns?

For reasons we have a big amount of skills, and each skill can and should be used for maximum potential.
Why should this only count for tanks (enmnity, survivability, damage) and dd's (damage, supportbuffs, def-cd's) and not for healers?

Why should healers just do 1 cast and then stand 30secs afk around?
Sure, the healers main job is to hold the group alive. but this doesnt mean he should stay afk and on auto-follow the whole dungeon...

[Sylve]

I don't think that successful duty completion is a very good standard. Consider, there are 90 minutes on the clock. If successful duty completion was the only criterion that mattered, it would be perfectly okay for DPS to deal so little damage that it takes 85 minutes to complete the dungeon. They do their primary job (dealing damage), even if not very well, and the duty does not fail, so according to that criterion, it would be acceptable.

I think it is obvious or should be obvious that this is of course not acceptable and consequently think that this is not a suitable standard to measure by. A suitable standard should not lead to undesirable results if applied to other roles.

If it wasn't acceptable to take 85+ minutes to clear a dungeon, SE would set the bar lower.
Once again, if you cleared it, even if it took you to the very last second to do it, makes you minimally good. Or perhaps 'viable' would be a better word? Your party produced enough damage and Healing to kill all the things within the allotted time. Congrats. You've achieved the minimum possible standard to finish the duty.

Its only unacceptable to a community who demands a dungeon to be finished in the fastest possible time, even if that means vote kicking players that are doing their jobs but not at a level deemed "good" by the random overgeared tool who just wants his tomes as fast as possible. Nevermind the circumstances of the poor bastard who suddenly finds himself without a party and bereft of an explanation as to why.