Is DPS'ing as a Healer Vote Kickable?

[Dsync]

I'd be glad to be kicked from a party with a massively lazy player and others who actively encourage laziness and mediocrity. No 30 minute lockout and can go straight back in. I don't expect amazing DPS from healers, just some effort. Up until 3 or 4 months ago I never kicked someone for their performance, but then you watch as people auto-attack and stand in every aoe and you realise that by doing nothing you are encouraging laziness.

Honestly, I'd be glad to be kicked from a party with those players. I never say anything, but if that kick option comes up and it's because of the lack of ANY dps (the worst are those who spam their space bar), then I'm clicking yes. Even more so since I've seen these threads and the encouragement by people to play lazily in a group.

But again, actually on-topic to the OP: Yes, people can kick for that. If the team agrees... then you're gone. It's a difference in play style and the team doesn't want to play like that.

[New_Game_Plus]

Why would DPS'ing as a healer warrant being kicked from the party? I mean as long as they aren't letting other players die while they are dps'ing I see no problem with it. As a WHM main it drives me crazy when I'm playing MNK and the healer just stands there over healing the group or just in general standing around. It doesn't take long to cast off an aero III or swiftcast a holy. I mean, if the healer is undergeared and struggling, I don't expect much DPS out of them. If that make sense.

[Elyncia]

I'm a main WHM who loves dps / spam holy in duty and, of course, healing properly the tank/team if needed.

That said, i don't care if another healer wants to just heal or do both; heal and dps. It's not really this kind of healer who bothering me. tho, Since a few months, i'm really tired to see so many healers incapable to do their MAIN ROLE. I'm so f***ing tired to see'em in cleric stance, just leting their team die without taking care about, to see that resurection isn't bind to their bar and so is swifcast. I hugely PREFER when a healer just heal normally so we can end the duty than a healer who just want to dps for complete it faster but fails at healing which inscreses the time to complete the duty. It really pissed me off but nethertheless, what gives me the right to kick people because they dont play like i would like ? We are not in RF/PF or Progress but in DF.

[Llus]

If a healer decides to DPS in their downtime, while keeping the group alive, a legitimate reason to vote kick someone? Asking, since word on the streets says that we're allowed to vote kick people for differentiating playstyles.

IMO, absolutely not - if healers are given DPS skills and cleric stance specifically for the purpose of increasing their damage you should only be kicked if you're letting people die (like repeatedly letting people die, mistakes are made) in favor of DPSing

[Yonanja]

I'm all for healers dpsing while in dungeons^^
Dpsing at the detriment of healing tho, no, that's a crappy healer. And this whole "healers should dps" thing that's going around now, is making many new healers feel they have to dps as much as possible, which leads to them not keeping up with the healing, causing deaths that costs alot more time than what is gained from the healers dps. Healers should only dps when they feel comfortable doing so, not when they feel forced to because people think they "should".

[Greedalox]

Healers should only dps when they feel comfortable doing so, not when they feel forced to because people think they "should".

This explains why over half the healers you see in Expert Roulette don't DPS while they're overgeared anyhow. You're going to get lazy/unconfident healers if they're never pushed to work harder and work on the confidence. It's not a foreign concept to have basic expectations out of people. Apathy breeds apathy.

[KyleKisaragi]

Just before taking a bit of a break from the game I tried healer and tank for the first time after being a bard pretty much from launch(2.0). I levelled a few jobs for cross class and stuff, but I was bard all the way.

So from that angle I never really expected a healer to dps. Once I got to raiding with my fc, yeah for the most part healers had to dps so we could meet the dps checks. but for dungeons and the like it was never something that I worried about. And the same went for tanks. So same as a lot of people I welcome dps from both the healers and tanks and I personally would never kick someone for it! Give a hug and a comm damned straight! but as long as they are performing there primary role its all good.

Now after healing and tanking my perspective changed a little, and to be honest I can't see myself not dpsing with either of these roles. I'll admit I made a few mistakes while I was learning and got parties killed a good couple of times as a healer trying to dps. (remember to re-target the tank while you're trying to heal! >.<) but outside of endgame content these jobs are a complete snooze fest! If I wasn't trying to dps I would be bored. I mean seriously if I'd chosen sch instead of whm I'd have been able to spend a lot of my levelling dungeons in follow letting my fairy do all the heavy lifting.

So yeah as things stand now I definatly wouldn't kick you for dpsing. If you didn't you wouldn't get a comm from me though, unless things went seriously south and you pulled the party out of the fire.

[Tizzy_Tormentor]

Never kick a healer for DPSing, they are simply going above the call for what their role normally demands (keeping everyone up) now if that healer is letting players hit the floor and are flat out not fulfilling their primary role, then by all means, kick the dead-weight.

I dps most of the time as a healer, mostly because in the majority of content, players won't take enough damage that will require my full attention, hell, as a SCH the fairy does my job for me in the vast majority of cases bar slipping out of cleric to chuck an adlo or a succor. Hell, if the previous set of EX dungeons, if the tank handled their CD's properly, I could DPS near full time.

Most of the time no one is taking damage, so what else should I do? Just stand there and wait for damage to happen? Might as well /sit and wait for everyone else to do their jobs.

As for should healers DPS, yes, they should at least try to do it, you have a slew of good DPS skills (hell, a lot of em were introduced in Heavensward) surely you would wanna use em? If no one dies and all you do is keep people up, you are an alright healer, if you keep everyone up and assist with the damage, you are an even better one. You have a large toolkit, strive to use all of it to its fullest potential.

[ADVSS]

it could be anything really, unless you were yelled at, causing numerous wipes on trash pulls etc, its a given that the majority of the community will rather than kick a dpsing healer, probably com or give cheers, unless theyre trying to get a healer buddy in or something petty as what probably really happened to you. TBH in voip with a friend of mine we were dual summoners in an ex roullette and we had a whm using holy on trash pulls, he jokingly was yelling at the whm(random df person, not in our voice chat) damnit whm stop using holy we got the dps! but we never kicked them, the only reason i would accept the kick is if youre letting the tank die and having to res 2 or 3 people every trash pull. Even thats excusable if the tank is going for XXXL pulls

[NessaWyvern]

Ah, the general forums, where not dpsing as healer is wasting people's time, but it's fine to kick people if they explain mechanics on a fight, if 1 person in the party wants to go in blind, and waste people's time with wipes.
(That being said, I do try to dps as healer)