VOIP Solo Que - Cheating?

[Joshpunchalot]

Back in my day, people talking while playing video games isint consider cheating..

[Enlial]

Nailed it with the first post. Voice communication isn't against the user agreement. Parser's are. So no, its not the same at all.

[Hana_Shizuka]

Cheating? No. Scummy? Yes.

You aren't really solo queuing if you and your friends queue in already using voice together though. I think people are derailing the point of the thread being for solo queue. It's an unfair advantage when you are against random groups that almost certainly have just the basic PvP quick chat macro's. At this point people might as well queue 'solo' in pairs or in pre-made groups.

My thoughts exactly.

[Llus]

Cheating? No. Scummy? Yes.
My thoughts exactly.

What's scummy about being able to communicate effectively with your teammates?

[kensatsu]

7000000000 of humans is able to communicate, and offcourse... be potential cheaters...
more seriously this tread is about use or not a tool. If you think it's a big advantage try to use the tool in question.
In a frontline for exemple there are some point to see to be potential winner :
A balanced Alliance, 2 tanks, 2 heal, 4 dps by team for exemple
Coordination Vocal or not,
Some call can help too, vocal or not.
Vocal let you know what others is up too, without the vocal you need to watch more what others is doing to bring good coordination.

[Praesul]

If SE wants to remove their method of communication for players, then we're going to find a way around it. Simple as that.

Upset that you're up against players coordinated on voip? Join Discord.

Don't like it? Blame SE for putting us into this position. I wasn't a big fan of voip in solo queue matches before but now it's a NECESSITY so I will not blame people for taking advantage of it.

[Makavelii]

I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond, n I think a lot of valid points were made through multiple posts..

I encourage ALL types of communication in ANY competitive team based game n personally I think SE should allow BOTH Text and Voice for Competitive PvP

Comparing ACT and VOIP wasn't my initial idea for this post.. Clearly ACT is a 3rd party program that is 100% against TOS so comparing the two is silly.. I think what I was more trying to say is that between the two there's one thing in common.. The player is looking for a competitive advantage over his opponents n is looking to improve his chances at gaining that Precious +25 MMR..

I think what it comes down to are a few simple questions..

1. Do the players using VOIP in Solo Queue while their opponents aren't gain a competitive advantage?

2. If so how significant of an advantage?

3. Should it be looked down upon regardless of if it's not technically "cheating" or against TOS

[Llus]

If SE wants to remove their method of communication for players, then we're going to find a way around it. Simple as that.

Upset that you're up against players coordinated on voip? Join Discord.

Don't like it? Blame SE for putting us into this position. I wasn't a big fan of voip in solo queue matches before but now it's a NECESSITY so I will not blame people for taking advantage of it.

This exactly. If you aren't able to effectively communicate through official channels, then you're going to find a way to do it anyway if you want to win.

[Makavelii]

Also a lot of people have said "it's not an advantage because Voice Chat is free for anyone to use" While this is true I think it's a dumb argument.. and is just being said to try n justify their actions by saying "but.. hey.. they could do it to"

What it comes down to is that since Voice Chat isn't available in the Game itself and That only a portion of the PvP player base is in the Discord channel that has been refrenced.

Yes the channel is free to join but it's a fact that not EVERY player has access to it right now and the players that are in it and choose to use VOIP are at a significant advantage.. so what's the solution to all of this? Spam the Discord Channel so that every single PvP Player is in it? lol or Implement Voice chat in the game client? (Pigs are going to fly" or just turn the other cheek?

[Llus]

I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond, n I think a lot of valid points were made through multiple posts..

I encourage ALL types of communication in ANY competitive team based game n personally I think SE should allow BOTH Text and Voice for Competitive PvP

I think what it comes down to are a few simple questions..

1. Do the players using VOIP in Solo Queue while their opponents aren't gain a competitive advantage?

2. If so how significant of an advantage?

3. Should it be looked down upon regardless of if it's not technically "cheating" or against TOS

A 1.) Yes they do. So did players that made effective use of chat while that was still a viable option. Those that didn't typically ended up on the losing side.

A 2.) This depends on the situation and composition of the people using chat and their team composition. You could have a great tank and healer in chat with horrible DPS and your chances don't improve much. Same with 2 great DPS in chat, but horrible healer or tank and your chances of winning are still going to be pretty low. The major advantage that you're going to get is a bit more coordination between the players using chat, but i don't think it's a huge advantage against an equally skilled team.

A 3.) I don't believe communication in a team environment should be looked down upon no matter how you communicate with each other.