VOIP Solo Que - Cheating?

[Hana_Shizuka]

What's scummy about being able to communicate effectively with your teammates?

Don't misunderstand me. There is nothing scummy about communicating effectively with your
team. The scummy part to me is like it's taking advantage of the general player base that is at a
disadvantage not using voip, when most know a lot of people don't use voip, it's not in-game and
there is now no chat.

If SE were to implement their own voice chat I'd fully support it but I personally do not feel it very
sportsmanship like when odds are they aren't using voip.

That it's scummy is just my unfiltered opinion in response to op.

[Zyphione]

Play an AST and no VOIP team can beat you - I learnt this in one of the threads made here. It's not an "unfair advantage" or "cheating" if you don't lose.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Play an AST and no VOIP team can beat you - I learned this in one of the threads made here. It's not an "unfair advantage" or "cheating" if you don't lose.

I mean, I disagree that it is cheating or an unfair advantage because anyone can do it. This point is a little iffy though. If I took a bunch of steroids, and then lost the tour de france I would still have been cheating. The state change between winning or losing doesn't change the state of cheating.

[Zyphione]

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Perhaps not, but in current society, 'losers are not cheaters'.
Steroids and losing the Tour de France can have an effect on your career or generally just affect your health at a later date (for some). Using VOIP and losing as any rank is not going to get you into trouble with any authority that will ban you from Feast for the following seasons. In fact, many do not even care and its a non-issue.

Not so for steroids, however.

Winning or losing in Feast actually doesn't change the state of anything, it doesn't matter VOIP or ACT because those groups of people still exist and have existed for 3 full seasons now. They still lose games, they will not be looked at for their behaviour and they will continue along normally just like a person who has never used them.

[Joshpunchalot]

Back in my day, people talking while playing video games isint consider cheating..

[Enlial]

Nailed it with the first post. Voice communication isn't against the user agreement. Parser's are. So no, its not the same at all.

[Praesul]

If SE wants to remove their method of communication for players, then we're going to find a way around it. Simple as that.

Upset that you're up against players coordinated on voip? Join Discord.

Don't like it? Blame SE for putting us into this position. I wasn't a big fan of voip in solo queue matches before but now it's a NECESSITY so I will not blame people for taking advantage of it.

[Llus]

If SE wants to remove their method of communication for players, then we're going to find a way around it. Simple as that.

Upset that you're up against players coordinated on voip? Join Discord.

Don't like it? Blame SE for putting us into this position. I wasn't a big fan of voip in solo queue matches before but now it's a NECESSITY so I will not blame people for taking advantage of it.

This exactly. If you aren't able to effectively communicate through official channels, then you're going to find a way to do it anyway if you want to win.

[Makavelii]

I appreciate everyone taking the time to respond, n I think a lot of valid points were made through multiple posts..

I encourage ALL types of communication in ANY competitive team based game n personally I think SE should allow BOTH Text and Voice for Competitive PvP

Comparing ACT and VOIP wasn't my initial idea for this post.. Clearly ACT is a 3rd party program that is 100% against TOS so comparing the two is silly.. I think what I was more trying to say is that between the two there's one thing in common.. The player is looking for a competitive advantage over his opponents n is looking to improve his chances at gaining that Precious +25 MMR..

I think what it comes down to are a few simple questions..

1. Do the players using VOIP in Solo Queue while their opponents aren't gain a competitive advantage?

2. If so how significant of an advantage?

3. Should it be looked down upon regardless of if it's not technically "cheating" or against TOS

[Makavelii]

Also a lot of people have said "it's not an advantage because Voice Chat is free for anyone to use" While this is true I think it's a dumb argument.. and is just being said to try n justify their actions by saying "but.. hey.. they could do it to"

What it comes down to is that since Voice Chat isn't available in the Game itself and That only a portion of the PvP player base is in the Discord channel that has been refrenced.

Yes the channel is free to join but it's a fact that not EVERY player has access to it right now and the players that are in it and choose to use VOIP are at a significant advantage.. so what's the solution to all of this? Spam the Discord Channel so that every single PvP Player is in it? lol or Implement Voice chat in the game client? (Pigs are going to fly" or just turn the other cheek?