VOIP Solo Que - Cheating?

[Kai_Lee]

alot of players mostly from the Primal DC???

If they are, they are not in the matches I played after the chat ban. It has been mostly spamming the pvp chat macro and during matches and before matches and hoping for the best.

[KusoWat]

Short answer: no, nothing is wrong with using voip.

SE continues to try and move the playerbase back into the Stone Age, so it's up to the players to find better ways to communicate in this TEAM BASED COMPETITIVE GAME MODE WITHIN AN MMORPG.

[kensatsu]

wait it's a mmorpg and players communicate and use vocal ? what a shame.
it's not cheating, it's up to anybody to get to this discord or even use a other voip.

[Bartleby]

I think my view mostly echoes Llus' post:

ACT is inherently better than voice in detecting/calling out bursts as well as tracking DRs and is fully automated. Furthermore, it is strictly limited to PC players. It has specifically been designated by the developers as "cheating".

VOIP surely gives an advantage but it is widely available to just about anyone who wants to use it, even if just to listen. Besides that, the advantage it yields is generally in proportion to the people using it. Bad players using VOIP don't gain as much of an advantage (generally) as good players using it, and many times (but not all the time) the team with better players will win regardless of who has more (if any) players in VOIP. But even if we did want to restrict this, how could we? Would you somehow prevent other players from using any number of voice programs? Or from making a telephone call while playing? Or from playing in the same room?

Instead of limiting the ways for players to communicate, SE should be expanding it. It would help level the playing field if they brought back chat so that even players outside of VOIP could use basic chat macros to quickly communicate with their team. To go even further, adding an in-game voice option would greatly enhance the player experience for everyone I think.

[ArianneMartellMateus]

You aren't really solo queuing if you and your friends queue in already using voice together though. I think people are derailing the point of the thread being for solo queue. It's an unfair advantage when you are against random groups that almost certainly have just the basic PvP quick chat macro's. At this point people might as well queue 'solo' in pairs or in pre-made groups.

[Llus]

You aren't really solo queuing if you and your friends queue in already using voice together though. I think people are derailing the point of the thread being for solo queue. It's an unfair advantage when you are against random groups that almost certainly have just the basic PvP quick chat macro's. At this point people might as well queue 'solo' in pairs or in pre-made groups.

https://discord.gg/fJRQ66X - there, you're aren't at a disadvantage anymore

[Zyphione]

Play an AST and no VOIP team can beat you - I learnt this in one of the threads made here. It's not an "unfair advantage" or "cheating" if you don't lose.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Play an AST and no VOIP team can beat you - I learned this in one of the threads made here. It's not an "unfair advantage" or "cheating" if you don't lose.

I mean, I disagree that it is cheating or an unfair advantage because anyone can do it. This point is a little iffy though. If I took a bunch of steroids, and then lost the tour de france I would still have been cheating. The state change between winning or losing doesn't change the state of cheating.

[Zyphione]

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Perhaps not, but in current society, 'losers are not cheaters'.
Steroids and losing the Tour de France can have an effect on your career or generally just affect your health at a later date (for some). Using VOIP and losing as any rank is not going to get you into trouble with any authority that will ban you from Feast for the following seasons. In fact, many do not even care and its a non-issue.

Not so for steroids, however.

Winning or losing in Feast actually doesn't change the state of anything, it doesn't matter VOIP or ACT because those groups of people still exist and have existed for 3 full seasons now. They still lose games, they will not be looked at for their behaviour and they will continue along normally just like a person who has never used them.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

You aren't really solo queuing if you and your friends queue in already using voice together though. I think people are derailing the point of the thread being for solo queue. It's an unfair advantage when you are against random groups that almost certainly have just the basic PvP quick chat macro's. At this point people might as well queue 'solo' in pairs or in pre-made groups.

This is part of an entirely different and bigger issue. Before, even a team of random people could chat and strategize:

"Hey, I've fought that [job] over there before. They tend to [insert assessment of player strategy here]."
"Hey, let me build stacks on the offense box, [BRD/MCH] you can have the buff."
"I'll force out the healer's Attunement right away, then let's all focus on the DPS without the defense buff."

They didn't need VoIP for this. Many times it WASN'T used. But under this asinine and terrible quick chat system, there is no macro that can perfectly mimic any of the above examples. So people who are serious about wanting to work together and win will offer it where available. Discord is versatile in that you can temporarily invite people or make servers on the fly. I have a server I use purely as a glorified memo pad.

Fact is, before this quick chat, VoIP wasn't as necessary because you could type and communicate fully with your team, whether fully random, or if you happened to be paired up with a friend or player you know. Now? If you really want to coordinate, it's still an option, but almost now a necessity.