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    Tae Sylphanas
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urthdigger View Post
    Technically, you can't do the crafting step entirely on your own. The base materials for those are acquired via desynthesis, and you can only have three of them high enough. I mean, I suppose you could level and delevel them... but that's a crazy amount of time and effort.
    You can only have 3 of them at stat cap. You don't have to be at the current stat cap to be able to desynth the items for the mats. Not sure how many you can actually have leveled simultaneously for that step off the top of my head, but you can definitely have more than 3 at this point.
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    Shinigami Zetta
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaFaye View Post
    You forgot to add that the drops from the dungeons are now 100% compared to the 0.0001% chance of an item dropping after successfully finishing the dungeon, making it even faster and easier to complete these steps.
    Thank you I had forgotten about that and now you can do multiple quest at a time as well for final items.
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    Eyriwaen Zirhmusyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    First de synthesis is very easy to level and cheap, gear you probably throw away or find in dungeons. Second people have forgotten that while it is a glamor, and skipping first step of fate grinding in the anima saga, it is meant to be a grind. Atmas are basically raining now in fates, Books can be done unsynced, fates have been made to appear faster, number of mobs to kill is only 3 instead of the original 9. Alexandrite maps have gone from 1 to 5 drops per map now. Lights have been improved soooo much I feel cheated of the time I spend doing my Zodiac weapons. I think they have been over generous with the Zodiac nerf. Now if this is still too hard, you can always go for raid weps. Now if your saying you don't have a high enough level or gear that sounds like a commitment problem.
    I *have* better gear, and in fact have a zodiac weapon I worked on when it was current. My take on zodiac weapons is purely as a glamour weapon. My viewpoint is that, as something literally only useful for glamour these days, there's no reason it should take months to complete. I support the nerfs and feel that people who come later shouldn't need to jump through all the same hoops everyone that came before did.

    My point is, while the rest of the relic quest has been nerfed a fair bit, this one single step has remained more or less the same in terms of costs.
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    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    ok.... I did mention it's not just glamor you can skip the crystal fate grind if you have a completed Zodiac. I rather do Zodiac than grind so it's more than just Glamor use -.-;; specially since you can do 50-60 completing a zeta
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManuelBravo View Post
    ok.... I did mention it's not just glamor you can skip the crystal fate grind if you have a completed Zodiac. I rather do Zodiac than grind so it's more than just Glamor use -.-;; specially since you can do 50-60 completing a zeta
    ...you DO know it takes less grinding to do the first step of the anima weapon than to do a zodiac weapon right? That was true even before that step was nerfed.
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urthdigger View Post
    My viewpoint is that, as something literally only useful for glamour these days, there's no reason it should take months to complete. I support the nerfs and feel that people who come later shouldn't need to jump through all the same hoops everyone that came before did.
    The grind got nerfed out already in the Zodiac questline. You don't need months anymore. Wanting more nerfs is like wanting them with just speaking to a NPC.
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    Player ManuelBravo's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Urthdigger View Post
    ...you DO know it takes less grinding to do the first step of the anima weapon than to do a zodiac weapon right? That was true even before that step was nerfed.
    Yes and I still rather do Zodiac then fate grind. Get equipment for seals, for example, including for new Anima steps. Then again you may not see that until you complete your first anima. Your almost there finish it and you will see what I mean. No disrespect everyone has their way of playing ^^, to me I just find it easier to max out jobs and such. If your only going to do one per say then fate grinding is fine. But trying to nerf everything else because it's old content and it's been nerfed to what I think more than it should be, being I'm doing all relics, is just a slap in the face for actual relic grinders. But hey if you really want to talk about old content try making a relic in FFXI, and it's been Nerfed to a point were people still say it's still too long, and believe me FFXIV relics, specially Zodiac phase, is 500x easier then one relic in FFXI.
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    Last edited by ManuelBravo; 02-09-2017 at 06:05 AM. Reason: Character Limit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Urthdigger View Post
    Technically, you can't do the crafting step entirely on your own. The base materials for those are acquired via desynthesis, and you can only have three of them high enough. I mean, I suppose you could level and delevel them... but that's a crazy amount of time and effort.
    Actually, you only need 70ish to consistantly desynth the items. Seeing as you have a cap of 770 there's plenty of points to go around.
    Being able to craft HQs yourself from zero? well, that will take some time.
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    I don't really mind now that literally every single step can be 100% solo'd. The only gripe I still have about the old 2.0 relic is how the Atma book step still takes an eternity.
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    Can they just get rid of the book step completely? .
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