Could Zodiac Braves get a nerf in requirements?

[HELLruler]

I know it's outdated content, but I'm trying to obtain the lvl 50 relics for glamour/completion

Right now, this step takes:

* 4 items costing 20k GC seals each -> 80k GC seals
* 4 items costing 400 poetics each -> 1600 poetics
* 4 items costing 100k gil each -> 400k gil
* A lot of craft-only HQ items

For a single, outdated relic, this is a whopping amount of commitment, and it's not even worth doing it to skip the first quest for the lvl 60 relic

My proposal of change is:

* 4 items costing 2k GC seals each -> 8k GC seals (90% reduction)
* 4 items costing 200 poetics each -> 800 poetics (50% reduction)
* 4 items costing 10k gil each -> 40k gil (90% reduction)
* Remove HQ requirement and make items available to buy with poetics/gil -> 150 poetics or 5k gil each

[ManuelBravo]

It's actually pretty nerfed and crafting is fairly easy if you have proper gear and gill. If your a Disciple of Hand Gill should be no problem as well a gear. After seeing your profile however I would really focus on daily items to turn in for fast XP, Squadron quest for XP scrolls for Hand and Land Jobs. Raise your retainers and send the out for items, can sell HQ ones or use them. That or ask a friend to help you. I think you just want the easy way out. Believe me it's WAY easier than before. Their is a reason why relics are a grind. Besides Glamour, you can use a completed Zodiac weapon to skip the crystal farming stage for the Anima series. After your first one you can use other jobs and while your raising them start gathering the end phase items. Do Treasure maps for gill and try to get into treasure dungeon Aqua with Dragon skin maps if you have a high enough level or ask FC or friends how that works. You would be surprised many people will help. By the way doing multiple Disciple of the Hand can get you cross skills which make it very easy to craft. Use leves to craft, turn in HQ items always for double teh XP and seals. IF it's to hard grind a lower level one that is easier for you. Hope this helps and believe me it's a hardship. I'm doing it all relics from the start and believe it's not for everyone.

[HELLruler]

Want to build it on my own. Guess I'll have to level crafting :/

Thanks for the answer!

[ManuelBravo]

They made it so Crafting is much easier now tons of more XP up to level 55 Good Luck. If your ever in Balmung look me up I will be glad to help :P

[Urthdigger]

Want to build it on my own. Guess I'll have to level crafting :/

Thanks for the answer!

Technically, you can't do the crafting step entirely on your own. The base materials for those are acquired via desynthesis, and you can only have three of them high enough. I mean, I suppose you could level and delevel them... but that's a crazy amount of time and effort.

Honestly, my biggest issue with that step is the flat costs, and I totally agree with your proposed changes. While yes, I know the weapon is a mark of prestige and a desired glamour even now, but I still balk a little at paying 400k for it.

[ManuelBravo]

Technically, you can't do the crafting step entirely on your own. The base materials for those are acquired via desynthesis, and you can only have three of them high enough. I mean, I suppose you could level and delevel them... but that's a crazy amount of time and effort.

Honestly, my biggest issue with that step is the flat costs, and I totally agree with your proposed changes. While yes, I know the weapon is a mark of prestige and a desired glamour even now, but I still balk a little at paying 400k for it.

First de synthesis is very easy to level and cheap, gear you probably throw away or find in dungeons. Second people have forgotten that while it is a glamor, and skipping first step of fate grinding in the anima saga, it is meant to be a grind. Atmas are basically raining now in fates, Books can be done unsynced, fates have been made to appear faster, number of mobs to kill is only 3 instead of the original 9. Alexandrite maps have gone from 1 to 5 drops per map now. Lights have been improved soooo much I feel cheated of the time I spend doing my Zodiac weapons. I think they have been over generous with the Zodiac nerf. Now if this is still too hard, you can always go for raid weps. Now if your saying you don't have a high enough level or gear that sounds like a commitment problem.

[LunaFaye]

First de synthesis is very easy to level and cheap, gear you probably throw away or find in dungeons. Second people have forgotten that while it is a glamor, and skipping first step of fate grinding in the anima saga, it is meant to be a grind. Atmas are basically raining now in fates, Books can be done unsynced, fates have been made to appear faster, number of mobs to kill is only 3 instead of the original 9. Alexandrite maps have gone from 1 to 5 drops per map now. Lights have been improved soooo much I feel cheated of the time I spend doing my Zodiac weapons. I think they have been over generous with the Zodiac nerf.

You forgot to add that the drops from the dungeons are now 100% compared to the 0.0001% chance of an item dropping after successfully finishing the dungeon, making it even faster and easier to complete these steps.

[ManuelBravo]

You forgot to add that the drops from the dungeons are now 100% compared to the 0.0001% chance of an item dropping after successfully finishing the dungeon, making it even faster and easier to complete these steps.

Thank you I had forgotten about that and now you can do multiple quest at a time as well for final items.

[Urthdigger]

First de synthesis is very easy to level and cheap, gear you probably throw away or find in dungeons. Second people have forgotten that while it is a glamor, and skipping first step of fate grinding in the anima saga, it is meant to be a grind. Atmas are basically raining now in fates, Books can be done unsynced, fates have been made to appear faster, number of mobs to kill is only 3 instead of the original 9. Alexandrite maps have gone from 1 to 5 drops per map now. Lights have been improved soooo much I feel cheated of the time I spend doing my Zodiac weapons. I think they have been over generous with the Zodiac nerf. Now if this is still too hard, you can always go for raid weps. Now if your saying you don't have a high enough level or gear that sounds like a commitment problem.

I *have* better gear, and in fact have a zodiac weapon I worked on when it was current. My take on zodiac weapons is purely as a glamour weapon. My viewpoint is that, as something literally only useful for glamour these days, there's no reason it should take months to complete. I support the nerfs and feel that people who come later shouldn't need to jump through all the same hoops everyone that came before did.

My point is, while the rest of the relic quest has been nerfed a fair bit, this one single step has remained more or less the same in terms of costs.

[ManuelBravo]

ok.... I did mention it's not just glamor you can skip the crystal fate grind if you have a completed Zodiac. I rather do Zodiac than grind so it's more than just Glamor use -.-;; specially since you can do 50-60 completing a zeta