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This still seems to me to be a conflict in what one wants out of an MMORPG.

The point in an MMORPG someone enjoys playing is not necessarily "The People", the point is whatever it is about the MMORPG that the player enjoys. I'm not saying people shouldn't criticize a game for lacking something they want, but that goes both ways; no one can simply lay down the absolute "Point" to any game or genre of games that objectively makes them enjoyable to anyone.

Personally, I like that there is in fact NOT always "another carrot" if I catch up to where I want to be in the game. I don't feel like it's an endless slog, I can take breaks and spend time playing other games with the limited free time that I have. But because it's an MMORPG, when I -do- play, I'm playing with other people who are playing the same game as myself. I still get together at a friend's house about once a month and we have pizza and play FFXIV together under the same roof, and often find ourselves playing together every weekend or so during the rest of the month. Meanwhile during the week I can still progress where I want to progress without my friends, but rather with other people who are playing at the same time as myself.

So again, I don't believe that FFXI or FFXIV can be objectively declared as "superior" over each other, they simply cater to different demographics of players.