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[LineageRazor]

You would understand if you spend your entire childhood to adult since 90s with playing plenty of MMORPGs and MMOs on PC only.

If you've been playing on PC only, how do you have any idea how console players socialize online?

I've been playing MMOs on consoles for nearly sixteen years, now, and I've had no difficulty socializing. I doubt I'm any kind of special exception.

[Parisstilton]

You would understand if you spend your entire childhood to adult since 90s with playing plenty of MMORPGs and MMOs on PC only.

Granted I haven't played many mmo's but I have played many other games on many different platforms from my childhood (in the 70's!) And call me stupid if you want but I still don't understand how having ps4 playing with pc makes people less social.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

You are right OP. It's because this game is crossplay with PS4. Console players aren't meant to socialize (pretty casual they are), just do quests, dungeons and enjoy their little limited fun they have been enforced to. Then also there is no massive PVP which is very important thing for a MMORPG. Too casual i say, too much.

Ignorance is bliss huh?.

[Stravioli]

You would understand if you spend your entire childhood to adult since 90s with playing plenty of MMORPGs and MMOs on PC only.

I get you guys are going to give this guy some flak for a broad generalization, but please understand, he does have a point. Just compare the community activity in Runescape or Ultima Online to that of Everquest II on the PS2.

Without a little moderator, a large open social network would be pretty bad. I expect some 'good enough' solution could be found though.

The reliance on moderation has ruined social interactivity in chat channels as well as RP communities; People need to be exposed to each other without fear of ban hammers. Not to mention trying to solve RP problems through reports? Come on guys, either commit to your RP or don't be in the RP community.

[ErryK]

I get you guys are going to give this guy some flak for a broad generalization, but please understand, he does have a point. Just compare the community activity in Runescape or Ultima Online to that of Everquest II on the PS2.

The difference is, XIV is not exclusive to a platform, unlike all three of those games you mentioned. On top of that, there is no reason to marginalize an entire group of people who play on PS4, they could just get a keyboard and mouse, attach it into their PS4, and be just as effective as a PC player, both socially and in skill.

[Kosmos992k]

The difference is, XIV is not exclusive to a platform, unlike all three of those games you mentioned. On top of that, there is no reason to marginalize an entire group of people who play on PS4, they could just get a keyboard and mouse, attach it into their PS4, and be just as effective as a PC player, both socially and in skill.

Indeed all of the PC master race vs Console generalizations are extremely unhelpful.

Just about any USB keyboard including the ones so cheap they could give them away in boxes of cereal, will work on PS4. And I would also have to point out that the use of a controller is not limited to console gamers, a lot of PC gamers use controllers as well. If you are playing on a 50-inch screen from your couch, a controller works better than a keyboard and mouse from a comfort point of view, and to my knowledge there is no skill difference between controller based players and those with keyboard/mouse.

[Rinari]

The reliance on moderation has ruined social interactivity in chat channels as well as RP communities; People need to be exposed to each other without fear of ban hammers. Not to mention trying to solve RP problems through reports? Come on guys, either commit to your RP or don't be in the RP community.

Have you seen what happens without moderation in large channels? It will be an endless stream of ASCII art and toxic screaming, entirely useless for actual conversations. Of course, the report feature is a form of moderation... just a slow one, but that might work well enough since people have a lot invested in their characters and subscriptions where risking a ban is usually not worth it. The novice network is moderated by mentors, which has worked well to handle the 100+ people in the channel.... well enough to stamp down on the random ASCII spam waves at least. Used properly, moderation facilitates communication, rather than obstructing it!

[omicronx]

Have you seen what happens without moderation in large channels? It will be an endless stream of ASCII art and toxic screaming, entirely useless for actual conversations. Of course, the report feature is a form of moderation... just a slow one, but that might work well enough since people have a lot invested in their characters and subscriptions where risking a ban is usually not worth it. The novice network is moderated by mentors, which has worked well to handle the 100+ people in the channel.... well enough to stamp down on the random ASCII spam waves at least. Used properly, moderation facilitates communication, rather than obstructing it!

Without moderation think, can't believe that I'm going to bring this up, Barrens Chat in WoW.

[RaijinSupreme]

I get you guys are going to give this guy some flak for a broad generalization, but please understand, he does have a point. Just compare the community activity in Runescape or Ultima Online to that of Everquest II on the PS2.



The reliance on moderation has ruined social interactivity in chat channels as well as RP communities; People need to be exposed to each other without fear of ban hammers. Not to mention trying to solve RP problems through reports? Come on guys, either commit to your RP or don't be in the RP community.

I'm not going to compare those games because those games are old. The internet, and the technology we have that utilizes the internet, are vastly different from 400 years ago when those were the only MMO's out.

its 2017, and I play ffxiv with my ps4 AND PC friends, and we all have made real connections with each other.

[Lexia]

I guess I wasn't aware so many people were struggling to make social connections in Final Fantasy XIV; but I think that it may be that the game allows for a wider demographic of players that could be causing the issue with finding like-minded players.

What type of social connections we talking about here? Sure I have people I talk to in game on a regular basis, but nothing like when I played XI. When I played XI I made some good friends that I talked to outside of game and got to know quite well and talked to even after leaving XI. I have not found that type of connection while playing XIV.

You are right OP. It's because this game is crossplay with PS4. Console players aren't meant to socialize (pretty casual they are), just do quests, dungeons and enjoy their little limited fun they have been enforced to. Then also there is no massive PVP which is very important thing for a MMORPG. Too casual i say, too much.

Consoles have nothing to do with it, XI had players on PS2 and they still managed to talk just fine. But XI and XIV are too different as you said XIV too casual so I can see part of your point.