[Dev Request] How about Ascian/Garlean Armor?

[GMERC]

I'm thoroughly convinced he likes to disagree with every suggestion and idea posted

Only the bad ones.

[Enur]

I am against telling people to ignore those that disagree with their opinion

As to the topic at hand:

I dont want gear that breaks the lore. (Before you shout YOKAI WAS A THING, yes it was. I realise it. I dont agree it should have been, but i have come to the conclusion that events and similar simply cant be accounted for.)

Lorewise there is a very good reason you shouldnt get ascian armor. They are the villains. And i dont like people dressing like the big bad guys as if they were mere halloween costumes. Would make the ascians lose what little credibility they have left.

As to Garlean armor? Same reason as above. Also the average garlean legatus would get shot at sight if seen within your average city state.


All of this is my opinion. Take it as you wish.

[SendohJin]

Garlemald isn't "been there done that" like The Heaven's Ward are, nor are the Ascians. Wait until they've been vanquished to beg to dress like them.

i agree with this. don't let us glamour as enemies that we are still fighting. i'd prefer we don't dress up as Garleans when we try to overthrow the Garleans occupying Ala Mhigo.

we should get another one of those dress up and infiltrate quests like we did in the original 2.0 storyline.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

[I] Lorewise there is a very good reason you shouldnt get ascian armor. They are the villains. And i dont like people dressing like the big bad guys as if they were mere halloween costumes. Would make the ascians lose what little credibility they have left.

As to Garlean armor? Same reason as above. Also the average garlean legatus would get shot at sight if seen within your average city state.

Yet you can get Odins armor and nobody bats an eye.

[Grimmel]

All of this is my opinion. Take it as you wish.

I appreciate you taking the time to give your opinion in a more debatable manner than the other gentleman.

While you do not wish for gear that breaks lore, it could be said that the scions gear breaks lore given how we are able to purchase and wear Y’shtola and Thancreds 3.X outfits as well as use their new hairstyles on top of being able to wear their 1.0-2.0 outfits as well. I had no intention of using Yokai as a scapegoat to argue my points.
Aside from there being a lore reason why we shouldn’t be able to wear Ascian armor there have been numerous reports that their numbers might border on unlimited due to the fact that the lesser ascians (Such as the Paragons of the 12th) have been seen possessing the bodies of the deceased and the living. We don’t know exactly how many numbers are in their ranks but it’s also not far fetched to believe that there may be some walking amongst the regular NPC’s we see on a day to day basis. They don’t always have to be wearing their robes to be called an Ascian.


Before you use the above as a reason that I should be fine with not having the Ascian garb added as an in game option for players; Balmung is a Roleplay rich server and many roleplayers have opted to take on the roles of NPC’s deceased or otherwise. We even have multiples of some players playing the same NPC and our server is not against the idea of it. True there may be some individuals who could do without a canon lore NPC that’s supposed to be dead up and running around but for those who interact with these people who play NPC’s and for the players playing them themselves, it’s a very fun way to go about playing and it shows how much we truly cared for or liked these NPC’s to want to portray them in our own ways.

Adding the armor used and worn by these NPC’s is just another way to show their dedication to the role and to add a bit of immersion into their time spent playing. I know the NPC rp’ers in my Free Company enjoy the interactions with regular players but they feel that the interactions are not quite touching the tip of the ice berg as they’ve sought means to enhance it by matching our current armor count to try to resemble the canon verse of the NPC they choose to represent.

While your argument is valid that these suggestions do pertain to villains; the same could be said for the Heavensward armor and named weapons of the 12 knights being released soon for the players to obtain and wear. It wasn’t a highly requested item in terms of it being requested here on the forums, but it was requested non-the-less. I am also aware of the Garlean armor argument and while I am in no way suggesting the armor of Gaius to be made available as the armor of those imperials was tailored to their specific status and rank, I do suggest an alternative.

As for your average garlean legatus being sighted within city limits; Balmung does have a wide array of Garlean themed Free companies and people who play Garleans, whether subjugated into the nation or born pure blooded - they walk among the streets of our city states just fine.

Again I thank you for your opinion as they are good for discussing the pro’s and con’s and being able to form decent counter arguments to keep the discussion on track instead of just flat out saying “Nah, we don’t want it because it would break the lore.” It’s always better to say how you feel about it rather than how you think everyone else would feel about it.

[Grimmel]

Yet you can get Odins armor and nobody bats an eye.

That is correct. And given that Odin's story was left open after the conclusion of his trial battle, he may very well become a part of the MSQ someday.

[NargaHuntress]

God I've wanted Garlean armour sence i battled Giuas! They all look just fantastic. I'd love to have the chance to wear them. Even. If. I. Got. To. Pay. For. It.

[Enur]

I appreciate you taking the time to give your opinion in a more debatable manner than the other gentleman.

I thank you for not replying in unbridled rage

While you do not wish for gear that breaks lore, it could be said that the scions gear breaks lore given how we are able to purchase and wear Y’shtola and Thancreds 3.X outfits as well as use their new hairstyles on top of being able to wear their 1.0-2.0 outfits as well.

I am fully aware that the scions clothes were purchasable. But, it must be noted that their clothes were not what they were remembered as, they were more than a set of fancy sheets (until HW that is :/)
Their clothes were just some remaining 1.0 models. If you took the pieces one by one, I doubt anyone could recognize them

Aside from there being a lore reason why we shouldn’t be able to wear Ascian armor there have been numerous reports that their numbers might border on unlimited due to the fact that the lesser ascians (Such as the Paragons of the 12th) have been seen possessing the bodies of the deceased and the living. We don’t know exactly how many numbers are in their ranks but it’s also not far fetched to believe that there may be some walking amongst the regular NPC’s we see on a day to day basis. They don’t always have to be wearing their robes to be called an Ascian.

Sure, there may be ascians walking with us. But they are hidden for a reason. Ascians are hostile creatures. They don’t mean well. Them requiring to stay hidden in order not to get attacked is even more the reason for why whe shouldn’t be able to dress in their clothes.
Now if we got the ascian suit and when we equipped it it would make us attackable by every other player and npc in every zone, and making us unable to do quests, sure. I would be able to live with that as it could be seen as playermade events- “A paragon visiting! Kill it!” or something similar. However knowing SE policy on pvp in the open world, I doubt this will ever happen as cool as it may have been.

Before you use the above as a reason that I should be fine with not having the Ascian garb added as an in game option for players; Balmung is a Roleplay rich server and many roleplayers have opted to take on the roles of NPC’s deceased or otherwise. We even have multiples of some players playing the same NPC and our server is not against the idea of it. True there may be some individuals who could do without a canon lore NPC that’s supposed to be dead up and running around but for those who interact with these people who play NPC’s and for the players playing them themselves, it’s a very fun way to go about playing and it shows how much we truly cared for or liked these NPC’s to want to portray them in our own ways.

Im sure there would be many people on balmung that would use this garb as you intend. But just as many would use it to delegitimize the ascians. ERP with the dark lord of shadows? Sure every Thursday at 8pm.
This is going to be abused. Your ideals are going to be hammered to the ground. People wont keep it at “lets rp im an ascian”.
While an innocent idea at first, many people will not stay that way.

Adding the armor used and worn by these NPC’s is just another way to show their dedication to the role and to add a bit of immersion into their time spent playing. I know the NPC rp’ers in my Free Company enjoy the interactions with regular players but they feel that the interactions are not quite touching the tip of the ice berg as they’ve sought means to enhance it by matching our current armor count to try to resemble the canon verse of the NPC they choose to represent.

In canon, you are the WoL. And everyone else is adventurers. Sure I recognize there are those who choose to represent a certain npc, but those people are not canon.
If we got the ascian garb ill bite my nonexistent hat if there wouldn’t be a parade of dancing ascians doing the moogle dance.

While your argument is valid that these suggestions do pertain to villains; the same could be said for the Heavensward armor and named weapons of the 12 knights being released soon for the players to obtain and wear. It wasn’t a highly requested item in terms of it being requested here on the forums, but it was requested non-the-less. I am also aware of the Garlean armor argument and while I am in no way suggesting the armor of Gaius to be made available as the armor of those imperials was tailored to their specific status and rank, I do suggest an alternative.

The armor of the heavensward is not armor native to villains, but rather ishgard itself, a city of which we are on fairly good terms with the lord of the knights. It is an easy addition as all the gears are just reskins of existing armors, so no refitting has to be done.
As to the Garlean armor, wasn’t that your point? That you wanted the shiny red/white/gaius variants available? I thought that was the point. And if that is the case, I must disagree. See ascian reason.
If it was regular soldier armor, I would be fine. Everyone can be a soldier, although they would still be shot if seen near Ul’dah. Im split on this issue as I am aware we have a set of low ranking soldier gear consisting of a hat and shirt. As others have mentioned I’d be fine with some more exquisite gear obtained from another stealth mission.

As for your average garlean legatus being sighted within city limits; Balmung does have a wide array of Garlean themed Free companies and people who play Garleans, whether subjugated into the nation or born pure blooded - they walk among the streets of our city states just fine.

Balmung created initiatives are not canon. End of story. A garlean would get shot on sight if near Ul’dah, unless it was backed up by a fleet of airships.
Nero had to disguise himself just to enter a free unaffiliated city (mor dhona), just imagine what a garlean would have to do to enter Gridania.

Again I thank you for your opinion as they are good for discussing the pro’s and con’s and being able to form decent counter arguments to keep the discussion on track instead of just flat out saying “Nah, we don’t want it because it would break the lore.” It’s always better to say how you feel about it rather than how you think everyone else would feel about it.

Thank you for being a better sport about it.

Yet you can get Odins armor and nobody bats an eye.

Odin is not a major villain. He is a FATE that spawns every couple of hours with some interesting lore. I doubt we will see him again, some things are better left a mystery. We don’t need answers to everything.

[Grimmel]

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Thank you again for not just saying "No I don't like it, it shouldn't happen, it's a bad idea." You bring up some valid points in your argument against this.

I think though you misunderstood my statement in saying that Ascians may be walking among us as NPC's we see everyday. When I say this I don't mean they're in their traditional garb walking around. I mean that they disguise themselves in a normal wardrobe to monitor and blend in with modern society. I'm unsure if you did the 50-60 SMN story, but an Ascian had been possessing a dead person and they weren't wearing their traditional garb, simply a black hooded cowl.

In canon lore, yes our character is the warrior of light, but it's also been mentioned by NPC's that we are not the only Warrior of Light in the realm. It even shows this in cutscenes with many random NPC's and your character floating/flying around the crystal of light to give an emphasis that we are not the only one out there.

The line and purpose of the Heavens Ward was absolved when Ishgard came back into the Eorzean Alliance. There will be no one else to take up the mantle and thus the armor will no longer be in use by any of Ishgard.

While true Balmung created initiatives are non canon, most of them do abide by lore and the events that take place in the game. Not everyone on Balmung plays their character as a warrior of light. A number of people play normal characters who do not have the echo or are in no way connected directly to Hydaelyn. WE do have Garleans who roam the streets openly admitting to who they are. These characters are accepted as defectors of their nation due to many reasons. For example the defeat of the Garlean leaderships from 2.X and seeing as how it's either surrender or die. Not all who surrender are to be put to death.

Your other points I did not touch on or make a response to are very valid reasons and such I won't address them, please don't take this as me ignoring them.

[VargasVermillion]

sorry, that's bad guy armor so it's not allowed