[Dev Request] How about Ascian/Garlean Armor?

[Enur]

Thank you again for not just saying "No I don't like it, it shouldn't happen, it's a bad idea." You bring up some valid points in your argument against this.

I think though you misunderstood my statement in saying that Ascians may be walking among us as NPC's we see everyday. When I say this I don't mean they're in their traditional garb walking around. I mean that they disguise themselves in a normal wardrobe to monitor and blend in with modern society. I'm unsure if you did the 50-60 SMN story, but an Ascian had been possessing a dead person and they weren't wearing their traditional garb, simply a black hooded cowl.

I don’t think I misunderstood anything. You repeat here that the ascians we saw were “wearing” the corpses to not look like ascians. That’s the whole point. Even the ascians don’t want to look like ascians. If they are obvious ascians they would get attacked. Which is why I am against this in the first place. Players who would wear this would be able to enter cities, looking like ascians, therefore breaking the lore by not getting shunned by everyone. Only the desperate allows ascians near them.

In canon lore, yes our character is the warrior of light, but it's also been mentioned by NPC's that we are not the only Warrior of Light in the realm. It even shows this in cutscenes with many random NPC's and your character floating/flying around the crystal of light to give an emphasis that we are not the only one out there.

Wrong:
A: In one of the early quests, you see other people in the aetherial realm flying around the Mothercrystal. Who are they? Other adventurers?
KF: Yeah, the Mothercrystal talks to many people. You’re the Warrior of Light, but she has to have other options. Not everyone is Warrior of Light material and there are lots of other things going on.
http://gamerescape.com/2015/06/18/lo...h-fernehalwes/
You are the only Warrior of Light. There are other options, but you are the one.

The line and purpose of the Heavens Ward was absolved when Ishgard came back into the Eorzean Alliance. There will be no one else to take up the mantle and thus the armor will no longer be in use by any of Ishgard.

As I said, yes the heavens ward is gone. But the guy who now has the power to order the designs of their armor (classical ishgardian knight dyed white and blue mind you. Its just a dye.) is your best friend in the city. Surely the guy who is essentially the leader of the city would be able to order some of the traditional armor for you. If not for show of craftsmanship then to break the traditions that had plagued the city for so many years.

While true Balmung created initiatives are non canon, most of them do abide by lore and the events that take place in the game. Not everyone on Balmung plays their character as a warrior of light. A number of people play normal characters who do not have the echo or are in no way connected directly to Hydaelyn. WE do have Garleans who roam the streets openly admitting to who they are. These characters are accepted as defectors of their nation due to many reasons. For example the defeat of the Garlean leaderships from 2.X and seeing as how it's either surrender or die. Not all who surrender are to be put to death.

I am fully aware that many people choose to roleplay their character as something other than the warrior of light. And that is fine. But their actions are as a whole, non-canon.
In the canon we have two examples of garlean deserters: Cid and Lucia, both of whom have had to either hide their identity or undergo strong alliances with the leaders. Garlean deserters, if caught by the guards would most likely get taken for interrogation and/or torture. Especially if it was an Ala Mhigan refugee gone guard who caught the rat.

Your other points I did not touch on or make a response to are very valid reasons and such I won't address them, please don't take this as me ignoring them.

Noted.

[Grimmel]

Wrong:
A: In one of the early quests, you see other people in the aetherial realm flying around the Mothercrystal. Who are they? Other adventurers?
KF: Yeah, the Mothercrystal talks to many people. You’re the Warrior of Light, but she has to have other options. Not everyone is Warrior of Light material and there are lots of other things going on.
http://gamerescape.com/2015/06/18/lo...h-fernehalwes/
You are the only Warrior of Light. There are other options, but you are the one.

NPC's, in particular the Scions and Grand Company Leaders have made mention of "Warriors of Light" of the past. By adding an S to Warrior it makes it plural meaning they are mentioning more than one. We can conclude that there is not just one Warrior of Light floating around. Even the Warriors of Darkness made mention that they were once the Warriors of Light of their world. That means all five of them. In the interview you quoted he said "Not everyone is warrior of light material." meaning that there are exceptions and that there are more than one but it's not a role than can be applied for and accepted like a job application.

As I said, yes the heavens ward is gone. But the guy who now has the power to order the designs of their armor (classical ishgardian knight dyed white and blue mind you. Its just a dye.) is your best friend in the city. Surely the guy who is essentially the leader of the city would be able to order some of the traditional armor for you. If not for show of craftsmanship then to break the traditions that had plagued the city for so many years.

Yes but in canon lore that armor is also a symbol of lies and oppression of the people of Ishgard given who the Knights were and what they represented and protected. They were lead to believe something that wasn't true for thousands of years and offered prayer towards under false pretenses. Why would someone be so willing to hand out something that represented so much wrong in their religion and standards after their true intentions became known?

I am fully aware that many people choose to roleplay their character as something other than the warrior of light. And that is fine. But their actions are as a whole, non-canon.
In the canon we have two examples of garlean deserters: Cid and Lucia, both of whom have had to either hide their identity or undergo strong alliances with the leaders. Garlean deserters, if caught by the guards would most likely get taken for interrogation and/or torture. Especially if it was an Ala Mhigan refugee gone guard who caught the rat.

Not all nations in the Eorzean Alliance are prone to violence against their enemies should they choose to desert their former nation. Gridania I'm sure is one such nation who opposes such tactics unless it was absolutely necessary. Deserters are not initially seen as enemies of a nation they flee to - most of them left their former nation because of the acts they committed either initiated by their own hand, against them or to someone they knew.

[Enur]

NPC's, in particular the Scions and Grand Company Leaders have made mention of "Warriors of Light" of the past. By adding an S to Warrior it makes it plural meaning they are mentioning more than one. We can conclude that there is not just one Warrior of Light floating around. Even the Warriors of Darkness made mention that they were once the Warriors of Light of their world. That means all five of them. In the interview you quoted he said "Not everyone is warrior of light material." meaning that there are exceptions and that there are more than one but it's not a role than can be applied for and accepted like a job application.

I have got nothing to counter this point. Except the direct word of Koji taken literally. Yes he might have said there are other WoL’s, but have also might just have meant that not everyone is on par with you.

Yes but in canon lore that armor is also a symbol of lies and oppression of the people of Ishgard given who the Knights were and what they represented and protected. They were lead to believe something that wasn't true for thousands of years and offered prayer towards under false pretenses. Why would someone be so willing to hand out something that represented so much wrong in their religion and standards after their true intentions became known?

Theres the trick, the Heavens ward were deceived themselves. They were tempered into doing bad things, and most of the “bad things” they were accused of was already in full practice by the regular guards, and they did not receive any changes at all after the reform. As per 3.2 the heavens ward weren’t looked down at. Nor were they hated. The highborn ladies were simply waiting for them to get home. All they did (Kill a “unicorn”, help the archbishop and attempt murder inside secured and closet halls.) was done privately. Only we as the WoL and our nearest friends know they were bad people.

Not all nations in the Eorzean Alliance are prone to violence against their enemies should they choose to desert their former nation. Gridania I'm sure is one such nation who opposes such tactics unless it was absolutely necessary. Deserters are not initially seen as enemies of a nation they flee to - most of them left their former nation because of the acts they committed either initiated by their own hand, against them or to someone they knew.

I agree that not all cities are violent towards outsiders. But Gridania is possibly the worst example. That city is unbelievably xenophobic, even groaning at your own first arrival. Only the officials seem to allow your presence, since they know you will leave eventually.
The only feasible city were I can see a garlean living, and this is a stretch, is Limsa Lominsa. And this is only due to the lack of government in the lower decks and the vide variety of accepted residents. Even then they would be under pressure as hunting Garleans is the only way for pirates continue their lifestyle and not become farmers. You must remember the garleans are basicly roman space Nazis. The pureblooded are identifiable by their own body. Sure the conscripts might be able to live a normal life, although the one example we have of a conscript gone rogue is a guy forced to live alone in a wooden hut in the wild jungle. In eastern La Noscea might I add.



We are a bit off-topic at this point

[Laerune]

I dont think we will get an Ascian armour anytime soon, but with the Garleans being the main enemy for Stormblood, I can see a armour as a reward or maybe a tome gear with every class getting a Garlean armour?

[Grimmel]

I dont think we will get an Ascian armour anytime soon, but with the Garleans being the main enemy for Stormblood, I can see a armour as a reward or maybe a tome gear with every class getting a Garlean armour?

Even if not the exact garb for Ascians, something similar that isn't darklight gear.

-More varieties of cowls with masks (Seer's cowl is the only one and it's ugly as all sin).
-More hoodless robes with adornments like the Ascian's traditional garb (Not exactlly but similar)
-Different types of full/half masks that don't look like wood wailer masks but still hide the eyes.

Simple things to appease those who appreciate the Ascian's as the villains they are meant to be.

[MuseTraveller]

I'd very much like to see both! Ascian garbs would be especially nice to have! Imagine DF with 2-3 of those and they do the ranger poses. You know you need this in your life!

[Grimmel]

I'd very much like to see both! Ascian garbs would be especially nice to have! Imagine DF with 2-3 of those and they do the ranger poses. You know you need this in your life!

Most of us do need this in our lives. Balmung has its fair share of Ascian RP'ers as well as those who support or align themselves to their cause via RP!

[botany]

I think it would be cool to have the Garlean Armor and Ascian gear. We already have the Scions, so I don't see a problem with not having Garlean or Ascian armor for those wanting to RP as the NPC as they please. Including the Emissaries ( Elidibus) armor too. And masks.

[corvidkai]

I'd definitely like to see both things! o uo Or at least things that are very similar and don't make me cringe. [The Seer's Cowl is...no. Just no. -shudders-]

[Grimmel]

I'd definitely like to see both things! o uo Or at least things that are very similar and don't make me cringe. [The Seer's Cowl is...no. Just no. -shudders-]

Agreed on the seer's cowl.. it's just.. an eyesore at this point yet it's the only mask + cowl combo we have currently in the game. D: