[Dev Request] How about Ascian/Garlean Armor?

[Grimmel]

Wrong:
A: In one of the early quests, you see other people in the aetherial realm flying around the Mothercrystal. Who are they? Other adventurers?
KF: Yeah, the Mothercrystal talks to many people. You’re the Warrior of Light, but she has to have other options. Not everyone is Warrior of Light material and there are lots of other things going on.
http://gamerescape.com/2015/06/18/lo...h-fernehalwes/
You are the only Warrior of Light. There are other options, but you are the one.

NPC's, in particular the Scions and Grand Company Leaders have made mention of "Warriors of Light" of the past. By adding an S to Warrior it makes it plural meaning they are mentioning more than one. We can conclude that there is not just one Warrior of Light floating around. Even the Warriors of Darkness made mention that they were once the Warriors of Light of their world. That means all five of them. In the interview you quoted he said "Not everyone is warrior of light material." meaning that there are exceptions and that there are more than one but it's not a role than can be applied for and accepted like a job application.

As I said, yes the heavens ward is gone. But the guy who now has the power to order the designs of their armor (classical ishgardian knight dyed white and blue mind you. Its just a dye.) is your best friend in the city. Surely the guy who is essentially the leader of the city would be able to order some of the traditional armor for you. If not for show of craftsmanship then to break the traditions that had plagued the city for so many years.

Yes but in canon lore that armor is also a symbol of lies and oppression of the people of Ishgard given who the Knights were and what they represented and protected. They were lead to believe something that wasn't true for thousands of years and offered prayer towards under false pretenses. Why would someone be so willing to hand out something that represented so much wrong in their religion and standards after their true intentions became known?

I am fully aware that many people choose to roleplay their character as something other than the warrior of light. And that is fine. But their actions are as a whole, non-canon.
In the canon we have two examples of garlean deserters: Cid and Lucia, both of whom have had to either hide their identity or undergo strong alliances with the leaders. Garlean deserters, if caught by the guards would most likely get taken for interrogation and/or torture. Especially if it was an Ala Mhigan refugee gone guard who caught the rat.

Not all nations in the Eorzean Alliance are prone to violence against their enemies should they choose to desert their former nation. Gridania I'm sure is one such nation who opposes such tactics unless it was absolutely necessary. Deserters are not initially seen as enemies of a nation they flee to - most of them left their former nation because of the acts they committed either initiated by their own hand, against them or to someone they knew.

[Enur]

NPC's, in particular the Scions and Grand Company Leaders have made mention of "Warriors of Light" of the past. By adding an S to Warrior it makes it plural meaning they are mentioning more than one. We can conclude that there is not just one Warrior of Light floating around. Even the Warriors of Darkness made mention that they were once the Warriors of Light of their world. That means all five of them. In the interview you quoted he said "Not everyone is warrior of light material." meaning that there are exceptions and that there are more than one but it's not a role than can be applied for and accepted like a job application.

I have got nothing to counter this point. Except the direct word of Koji taken literally. Yes he might have said there are other WoL’s, but have also might just have meant that not everyone is on par with you.

Yes but in canon lore that armor is also a symbol of lies and oppression of the people of Ishgard given who the Knights were and what they represented and protected. They were lead to believe something that wasn't true for thousands of years and offered prayer towards under false pretenses. Why would someone be so willing to hand out something that represented so much wrong in their religion and standards after their true intentions became known?

Theres the trick, the Heavens ward were deceived themselves. They were tempered into doing bad things, and most of the “bad things” they were accused of was already in full practice by the regular guards, and they did not receive any changes at all after the reform. As per 3.2 the heavens ward weren’t looked down at. Nor were they hated. The highborn ladies were simply waiting for them to get home. All they did (Kill a “unicorn”, help the archbishop and attempt murder inside secured and closet halls.) was done privately. Only we as the WoL and our nearest friends know they were bad people.

Not all nations in the Eorzean Alliance are prone to violence against their enemies should they choose to desert their former nation. Gridania I'm sure is one such nation who opposes such tactics unless it was absolutely necessary. Deserters are not initially seen as enemies of a nation they flee to - most of them left their former nation because of the acts they committed either initiated by their own hand, against them or to someone they knew.

I agree that not all cities are violent towards outsiders. But Gridania is possibly the worst example. That city is unbelievably xenophobic, even groaning at your own first arrival. Only the officials seem to allow your presence, since they know you will leave eventually.
The only feasible city were I can see a garlean living, and this is a stretch, is Limsa Lominsa. And this is only due to the lack of government in the lower decks and the vide variety of accepted residents. Even then they would be under pressure as hunting Garleans is the only way for pirates continue their lifestyle and not become farmers. You must remember the garleans are basicly roman space Nazis. The pureblooded are identifiable by their own body. Sure the conscripts might be able to live a normal life, although the one example we have of a conscript gone rogue is a guy forced to live alone in a wooden hut in the wild jungle. In eastern La Noscea might I add.



We are a bit off-topic at this point

[Felis]

I would very much like to have the Ascian garb as a glamour option.

After defeating Zodiac

[Grimmel]

Snip

True most of the heavens ward were tricked; I recall Zephirin stating if it was the right thing. Although I do know some of them would have jumped at the chance to become more powerful

But I agree our last remarks were driving a bit off topic. ;; But most of the discussion has been on topic and I feel If we go back to discussing more about the topic that we'd just get repetitive with our statements. I think we covered a pretty expansive pros and cons and I admit I'm unsure how to further discuss the topic without getting repetitive.

After defeating Zodiac

He's actually called Zodiark. XD I doubt he will ever truly be defeated as he is a part of Hydaelyn as Hydaelyn is a part of him. They balance each other with both Light and Dark. Zodiark just got a little power hungry.

[Laerune]

I dont think we will get an Ascian armour anytime soon, but with the Garleans being the main enemy for Stormblood, I can see a armour as a reward or maybe a tome gear with every class getting a Garlean armour?

[Grimmel]

I dont think we will get an Ascian armour anytime soon, but with the Garleans being the main enemy for Stormblood, I can see a armour as a reward or maybe a tome gear with every class getting a Garlean armour?

Even if not the exact garb for Ascians, something similar that isn't darklight gear.

-More varieties of cowls with masks (Seer's cowl is the only one and it's ugly as all sin).
-More hoodless robes with adornments like the Ascian's traditional garb (Not exactlly but similar)
-Different types of full/half masks that don't look like wood wailer masks but still hide the eyes.

Simple things to appease those who appreciate the Ascian's as the villains they are meant to be.

[MuseTraveller]

I'd very much like to see both! Ascian garbs would be especially nice to have! Imagine DF with 2-3 of those and they do the ranger poses. You know you need this in your life!

[Grimmel]

I'd very much like to see both! Ascian garbs would be especially nice to have! Imagine DF with 2-3 of those and they do the ranger poses. You know you need this in your life!

Most of us do need this in our lives. Balmung has its fair share of Ascian RP'ers as well as those who support or align themselves to their cause via RP!

[botany]

I think it would be cool to have the Garlean Armor and Ascian gear. We already have the Scions, so I don't see a problem with not having Garlean or Ascian armor for those wanting to RP as the NPC as they please. Including the Emissaries ( Elidibus) armor too. And masks.

[corvidkai]

I'd definitely like to see both things! o uo Or at least things that are very similar and don't make me cringe. [The Seer's Cowl is...no. Just no. -shudders-]