Mentor minimum requirement is too low / needs adjustment

[Bourne_Endeavor]

A simple yet perhaps debatable fix? Require mentors to have cleared Savage. Although you will inevitably come across people who bought clears or fall into the dreaded "elitist" category. The majority will be highly skilled players. Necessitating playtime, role restrictions or roulettes accomplishes nothing since everyone can achieve that without any real effort (i.e spamming Ifirt NM). You weed out a massive portion of bad players with a crowd by demanding they clear the hardest content as most won't be able to. Are there people who aren't raiders yet still good players? Absolutely. But there really isn't a way to separate them from people who have no idea what they're doing. I suppose you could argue for only the Extreme Primals, but I'd still prefer it being Savage.

[ffchampion]

A simple yet perhaps debatable fix? Require mentors to have cleared Savage. .

Disagree with this. just because someone hasn't done Savage doesn't mean they are bad players. For example i barely get time to play so i spend the majority of my time doing anima weapon, levelling up classes etc. I don't have time to find a static to do raids with. I think the best way to do it is to remove the mounts from the mentor and put them somewhere else. As mounts i think are the best reward from the system

[Moomba33]

You don't need to be a highly skilled player to be a Mentor.
You need to have a basic understanding of every role in order to be able to answer newbie questions. As was said by someone earlier Mentors need to be able to answer questions like how do I unlock mounts not how to do a perfect level 60 rotation.

I agree there needs to be a way to weed out players that have no idea what they're doing but needing ex/savage clears is ridiculously high considering what a Mentor actually needs to do.

[bswpayton]

A simple yet perhaps debatable fix? Require mentors to have cleared Savage. Although you will inevitably come across people who bought clears or fall into the dreaded "elitist" .

So why would you want only people who are gona be busy with their statics , tryin to be the only mentors. What I see as a mentor is really some of the most basic things being asked like running the first few dungeons in the game help basic level gear, very few people even do savage so why would you require this to be a mentor makes no sense. And once again everything people are saying would relate to pve mentor we have 4 different mentors, pvp, pve, crafting, and just your basic mentor. What alot of nn people need is someone with time and someone thats willing to help them do some of the most basic things in the game.

Im one of the very few mentors that will even run a sync primal with a new player. Most will just say will get you an unsync run going thus teaching the player nothing, so yea someone may clear this stuff with their friends but are they gona be willing to fail multiple times with a new player I highly doubt it thus it shouldn't be a requirement and would make no sense to have savage to be a requirement for all mentors. Are people forgetting that most people lose the sprout right after entering hw which means you can just be entering hw yourself and still know everything you need to know to help with Arr content.

[Shougun]

Like I said earlier that everyone overlooked , all crowns do not mean the same thing, for instance if someone is a crafting mentor but uses mentor roulette should they be expected to just kick butt in every form of content I wouldnt think so. To me the only mentor that should be amazing at pve is the pve mentor, if you put the sword by ur name then you better know how to play all aspects of the game very well. This is the only type of mentor that deserves heavy gating, but to have a basic crown you can simply be average at the game but knowledgeable of all the things new players need to know. But the problem is to many players that are average are choosing to wear the pve mentor crown.

I don't think "everyone overlooked" as I specifically mentioned in that post you quoted that you shouldn't be a mentor of something you barely know something about, and in a previous post in this thread I mentioned it as well :P

I agree, you should not get all the mentor crowns by default. There should be a generic I can help you, and then specific ones like "I'm good at tanking, and can help you" "I'm a great crafter, and can help" "I'm great everything" lol. The "and can help you bit" is any sort of NM content, you don't have to be amazeballs just have played the game a bit. Anything that suggests you're knowledgeable in a specific role like "I'm a tank mentor who can queue in the mentor roulette and get an EX primal" should mean you're actually good at being a tank though.

Mentor Roulette only includes ARR ex primals, not Heavensward ones.
It also requires you to complete all content in the roulette before you can run it.
You can be a Mentor without having the roulette unlocked.

So you do sort of need to know how to play then, just not the bleeding edge new content. Titan EX isn't going to be cleared by afking on the 1 macro unless you're being carried lol.

You don't need to be a highly skilled player to be a Mentor.
You need to have a basic understanding of every role in order to be able to answer newbie questions. As was said by someone earlier Mentors need to be able to answer questions like how do I unlock mounts not how to do a perfect level 60 rotation.

I agree there needs to be a way to weed out players that have no idea what they're doing but needing ex/savage clears is ridiculously high considering what a Mentor actually needs to do.

They do need to do EX content though. I think people are mixing up a mentor who spends time in the novice channel with someone who uses the queue to teach battle. I really think we should have a mentor who just wants to help people out, do some basic progress, give them good directions. But if there is content that requires you to know your job then you should know your job, or not be mentor. And being queued for EX in the roulette means.. knowing your job. Perhaps not to perfection but a lot better than "uh.. I just cast fire I, seem to do okay~!" lol.

[Atoli]

Correct me if I'm wrong (don't have all the jerbles to 60 so I'm not a mentor) but from what I've read from others that the mentor queue puts you in a lot of EX Primal parties. If they're not good enough to be a guiding light in the darkest content they're expected to be able to complete then they're not actually a mentor.

The hardest content currently in the roulette is Dun Scaith. EX Primals in the roulette are old, overgeared lvl 50 ones, and while that can get tricky, it's far from needing to be able to beat current endgame content.
And like Moomba33 said, you can be a mentor without even unlocking the roulette at all. If you want to unlock it, you need to beat all content up to Dun Scaith, but it's all just normal dungeons and ARR primals and 24-man raids, no savage raiding or current primals. So while that's not hard to beat, if you are actually too bad to do that, you won't be able to use the roulette anyways. Of course that leaves entering duties with newbies from the network, but I'll go out on a limb and say that anyone who is invested enough to do that is knowledgable enough about the game to play their role well enough to complete said duty (for example, I am absolutely not convinced about my endgame tanking capabilities, but I can tank well enough to help out newbies with whatever they could want or need).

Although like I said before I do see value in having a generic "I like to help people" status, for where do go in MSQ and stuff like that. But if you're seen as a teacher but you can barely do your rotations then I do think that is not a good thing, not a quality of being a mentor. Although I do suggest unbinding all the mentor icons to specific roles. So you could be a mentor of crafting but have not unlocked tank, or PvP.

1. I think you are highly overestimating what mentors are supposed to do. Mentoring is supposed to be for NEW players. Newbies lose their sprout status once they finish basic Heavensward, so having a specific "endgame" mentor that teaches them about savage raiding and the like makes no sense, because newbies graduate long before they hit that point.
2. That's already how it works. Basically, you can only wear the mentor symbol of the type you actually have aquired, so a Crafting Mentor can't wear a PvP mentor symbol and stuff like that.
While I absolutely think PvE mentors should be knowledgeable about all PvE encounters that a newbie might need (including mechanics to look out for and of course capable gameplay in general), that does NOT include endgame content because of the reason mentioned previously.

[bswpayton]

The hardest content currently in the roulette is Dun Scaith. EX Primals in the roulette are old, overgeared lvl 50 ones, and while that can get tricky, it's far from needing to be able to beat current endgame content.
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Actually how it is now which is totally dum you can wear any crown that you want from meeting one requirement. So for instance a crafting mentor can wear the pvp crown if they wanted, so they really should fix this in the long haul. Each status should mean something instead of them all being clustered together like they are now.

[Moomba33]

Pretty sure you can just pick whatever Mentor symbol you want regardless of how you became a Mentor.
At the very least I have a friend that became a Mentor through the crafting requirements and can do the roulette since she beat everything in it and she doesn't qualify as a battle Mentor since she doesn't have a 60 healer on that character.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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To be fair, they would be in the Novice Network. You do not have to play with someone to get advice on how to play your job. Nonetheless, raiding is not a 24/7 occupation. In fact, most of the written or video guides available come from prominent raiders. Most have the time, if they so chose. But for the PvE aspect of the game, you'll generally get better working knowledge on average from players who are clearing harder content than those primarily running Expert Roulette. Once again, that isn't to say everyone who opts out of raiding are bad players. I do wish to emphasis that. There just needs to be some means of vetting people who are woefully unqualified to give advice. While you could take away the mount, I cannot help wondering if a large portion of people would simply not bother. I suppose that isn't necessarily bad per se, but plenty don't even care for the mount. They just want the little silly crown and another linkshell.

[Shougun]

The hardest content currently in the roulette is Dun Scaith. EX Primals in the roulette are old, overgeared lvl 50 ones, and while that can get tricky, it's far from needing to be able to beat current endgame content.
And like Moomba33 said, you can be a mentor without even unlocking the roulette at all. If you want to unlock it, you need to beat all content up to Dun Scaith, but it's all just normal dungeons and ARR primals and 24-man raids, no savage raiding or current primals. So while that's not hard to beat, if you are actually too bad to do that, you won't be able to use the roulette anyways. Of course that leaves entering duties with newbies from the network, but I'll go out on a limb and say that anyone who is invested enough to do that is knowledgable enough about the game to play their role well enough to complete said duty (for example, I am absolutely not convinced about my endgame tanking capabilities, but I can tank well enough to help out newbies with whatever they could want or need).

So in that scenario I think you should be good at your role, if you're in the roulette :P. I don't care what you've completed if you just want to be a helpful person. Just be helpful, that's cool. But again I firmly believe if you're going to be in a teacher position of a specific role then you should be better than "okay". And I don't think the later assumption is a safe assumption (that because they invested enough they're knowledgeable enough) seeing as how many people complain the mentor has no idea what they're doing lol.

1. I think you are highly overestimating what mentors are supposed to do. Mentoring is supposed to be for NEW players. Newbies lose their sprout status once they finish basic Heavensward, so having a specific "endgame" mentor that teaches them about savage raiding and the like makes no sense, because newbies graduate long before they hit that point.
2. That's already how it works. Basically, you can only wear the mentor symbol of the type you actually have aquired, so a Crafting Mentor can't wear a PvP mentor symbol and stuff like that.
While I absolutely think PvE mentors should be knowledgeable about all PvE encounters that a newbie might need (including mechanics to look out for and of course capable gameplay in general), that does NOT include endgame content because of the reason mentioned previously.

1. You can be a mentor at any point, even if there are no sprouts around - I do not personally see the job as mentor ending as soon as no sprouts are looking at you. Perhaps I mistake it, but if something says mentor.. I expect them to be able to mentor just by virtue of the title lol.

2. I meant like a mentor who is on a job they don't know how to play, they don't know their own job but it's true they may know the dungeon. And from what others have said it sounds like you can be mentor of whatever you want once you unlock the system (is someone wrong on that, I dunno lol). Should just change the icon, imo, so its like Mentor symbol plus a star if they're on something they're good at. Otherwise it's without a star to suggest they know the content but don't expect anything amazing from their ability. If the roulette doesn't include end game content then I don't see it being required to know it, that's very fair I agree.

So in combination; Mentor if the status is up is a mentor regardless of who is around, and what they're a mentor of they should know that content. If it says they're a DoW mentor, they better know how to play DoW jobs - imo.

If it's intended to only be helpful to brand spanking new people then I think its not really a good use of the system, since a lot of not new people could use help too lol. Also I have minor issue with the use of the word, since I like things to be defined properly but eh. If the intended system is ONLY for 1-50, then my expectation is that whatever you signify you're good at from 1-50 you need to be good at. Further suggesting the mentor system needs to last longer because if a jump potion jumps you right to the end of the "novice" system you'll still need a mentor, and you'll need it for higher end content as well.