Mentor minimum requirement is too low / needs adjustment

[Shougun]

Why should logged on time count in? I know tons of players that are way better players (and mentors) than me, and they only started playing the game half a year ago.
Why should they not be mentors despite the ability and willingness to be one, just because they didn't start playing back in 1.0 and have years of playtime logged? That seems like a really pointless requirement.

I'm also inclined to think that more mentors = better. Yeah sure, we get some bad eggs, but if you made the requirements crazy high, barely any mentors would be in the newbie chat at all.
As it is now, on the most populated EU server, we usually have 30-80 mentors online, and many are busy with their own stuff, so actively helping are..10-12 people?
Not the same 10-12, of course, as one mentor becomes busy another one starts having time to help, and so on.
Now imagine raising the bar to even become a mentor at all by a lot. We'd be left with maybe 10 mentors, of which 0-1 would actually have time to answer questions or run duties with the newbies. None or one person for over 200 newbies.
That seems like a horrible idea, sorry.

It's not like someone failing or being rude with a mentor crown means newbies will listen to him when they see him fail. The current requirements do so much good for very little bad (once in a while running into someone who brings shame to the title of mentor), I do not see any reason to change them.

And btw, the main job of mentors is to help players that are ACTUALLY NEW TO THE GAME. While I do think mentors should at least do okay in duties, what matters is how much they can help with the everyday problems newbies encounter, not how big their epeen on FFlogs for A12S is If a player can't beat Zurvan EX or never entered Savage Alex, but can quickly answer where to get a chocobo, which classes are needed to upgrade to which job, what is included in the free trial, how to best level up in level range X, and knows very well how to do duties no one normally does that are required for story progression (like normal mode 4-man Garuda and stuff like that) I'd take them as a mentor any day over someone who's entire qualification is that he can beat A12S but is completely detached from the actual beginner's problems.
Phew. Rant over.

Correct me if I'm wrong (don't have all the jerbles to 60 so I'm not a mentor) but from what I've read from others that the mentor queue puts you in a lot of EX Primal parties. If the roulette can put you in content where you need to be good, I do think that is important and it's not "epeen" to suggest that they should have to be a mentor in a high end content. If they're not good enough to be a guiding light in the darkest content they're expected to be able to complete then they're not actually a mentor.

Although like I said before I do see value in having a generic "I like to help people" status, for where do go in MSQ and stuff like that. But if you're seen as a teacher but you can barely do your rotations then I do think that is not a good thing, not a quality of being a mentor. Although I do suggest unbinding all the mentor icons to specific roles. So you could be a mentor of crafting but have not unlocked tank, or PvP.

Agreed about the the game time and stuff though, just because you're old doesn't make you helpful. Making 5,000 ran instances isn't really going to have any effect, or will only have a negative effect.

[bswpayton]

Correct me if I'm wrong (don't have all the jerbles to 60 so I'm not a mentor) but from what I've read from others that the mentor queue puts you

Like I said earlier that everyone overlooked , all crowns do not mean the same thing, for instance if someone is a crafting mentor but uses mentor roulette should they be expected to just kick butt in every form of content I wouldnt think so. To me the only mentor that should be amazing at pve is the pve mentor, if you put the sword by ur name then you better know how to play all aspects of the game very well. This is the only type of mentor that deserves heavy gating, but to have a basic crown you can simply be average at the game but knowledgeable of all the things new players need to know. But the problem is to many players that are average are choosing to wear the pve mentor crown.

[Moomba33]

Mentor Roulette only includes ARR ex primals, not Heavensward ones.
It also requires you to complete all content in the roulette before you can run it.
You can be a Mentor without having the roulette unlocked.

[Atoli]

Correct me if I'm wrong (don't have all the jerbles to 60 so I'm not a mentor) but from what I've read from others that the mentor queue puts you in a lot of EX Primal parties. If they're not good enough to be a guiding light in the darkest content they're expected to be able to complete then they're not actually a mentor.

The hardest content currently in the roulette is Dun Scaith. EX Primals in the roulette are old, overgeared lvl 50 ones, and while that can get tricky, it's far from needing to be able to beat current endgame content.
And like Moomba33 said, you can be a mentor without even unlocking the roulette at all. If you want to unlock it, you need to beat all content up to Dun Scaith, but it's all just normal dungeons and ARR primals and 24-man raids, no savage raiding or current primals. So while that's not hard to beat, if you are actually too bad to do that, you won't be able to use the roulette anyways. Of course that leaves entering duties with newbies from the network, but I'll go out on a limb and say that anyone who is invested enough to do that is knowledgable enough about the game to play their role well enough to complete said duty (for example, I am absolutely not convinced about my endgame tanking capabilities, but I can tank well enough to help out newbies with whatever they could want or need).

Although like I said before I do see value in having a generic "I like to help people" status, for where do go in MSQ and stuff like that. But if you're seen as a teacher but you can barely do your rotations then I do think that is not a good thing, not a quality of being a mentor. Although I do suggest unbinding all the mentor icons to specific roles. So you could be a mentor of crafting but have not unlocked tank, or PvP.

1. I think you are highly overestimating what mentors are supposed to do. Mentoring is supposed to be for NEW players. Newbies lose their sprout status once they finish basic Heavensward, so having a specific "endgame" mentor that teaches them about savage raiding and the like makes no sense, because newbies graduate long before they hit that point.
2. That's already how it works. Basically, you can only wear the mentor symbol of the type you actually have aquired, so a Crafting Mentor can't wear a PvP mentor symbol and stuff like that.
While I absolutely think PvE mentors should be knowledgeable about all PvE encounters that a newbie might need (including mechanics to look out for and of course capable gameplay in general), that does NOT include endgame content because of the reason mentioned previously.

[bswpayton]

The hardest content currently in the roulette is Dun Scaith. EX Primals in the roulette are old, overgeared lvl 50 ones, and while that can get tricky, it's far from needing to be able to beat current endgame content.
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Actually how it is now which is totally dum you can wear any crown that you want from meeting one requirement. So for instance a crafting mentor can wear the pvp crown if they wanted, so they really should fix this in the long haul. Each status should mean something instead of them all being clustered together like they are now.

[Moomba33]

Pretty sure you can just pick whatever Mentor symbol you want regardless of how you became a Mentor.
At the very least I have a friend that became a Mentor through the crafting requirements and can do the roulette since she beat everything in it and she doesn't qualify as a battle Mentor since she doesn't have a 60 healer on that character.

[Atoli]

Actually how it is now which is totally dum you can wear any crown that you want from meeting one requirement. So for instance a crafting mentor can wear the pvp crown if they wanted, so they really should fix this in the long haul. Each status should mean something instead of them all being clustered together like they are now.

Pretty sure you can just pick whatever Mentor symbol you want regardless of how you became a Mentor.
At the very least I have a friend that became a Mentor through the crafting requirements and can do the roulette since she beat everything in it and she doesn't qualify as a battle Mentor since she doesn't have a 60 healer on that character.

This is wrong, I have actually tried that already
While you can enter the mentor roulette regardless of which mentor version you achieved (but again, you need to have actually beaten all content in it, thereby establishing you are at least qualified enough for that kind of content), the type of crown you can wear is directly limited by which requirements you fullfilled.

I do not personally see the job as mentor ending as soon as no sprouts are looking at you. Perhaps I mistake it, but if something says mentor.. I expect them to be able to mentor just by virtue of the title lol.

Regardless of what personal values you attach to the word, the game is very specific about the duties of a mentor, and that is literally ONLY tied to helping and mentoring sprouts, and not in any way tied to behaviour/ability once you take the symbol off, or play with other veterans. It says so in the description of the job, and again in the list you need to accept when you agree to become a mentor. If you ask the NPC, he explains it as well. Mentoring is specifically tied to Sprouts, not all players in general.

Personally, I totally agree and am very annoyed when I for example get a bad player in my Zurvan EX farm party who is wearing a mentor sign or something like that, because I also attach more value to the tag than the game itsself does, but that's just my personal thoughts on it and the standard I set for myself (which is why I specifically take off the crown when I go for content that I am new or inexperienced in) and not something that I think needs to be enforced.

As for symbols - as said at the beginning of this post, it's false information that everyone can wear any symbol. You can only wear the generic crown and the symbol for the requirements you actually completed, not any symbol regardless of what you can do or not
For example, while the crafting mentor crown shows up in my list of symbols, when I try to equip it, the game tells me I am unable to because I'm not a crafting mentor.

Further suggesting the mentor system needs to last longer because if a jump potion jumps you right to the end of the "novice" system you'll still need a mentor, and you'll need it for higher end content as well.

I agree with that, and assume the system will be adjusted. When they extended the free trial, they also extended the length of the sprout status to completing basic HW, so I assume it's gonna move up to completing basic SB once we hit 5.0.
But it's still gonna exclude endgame content, so I am still convinced that is not a proper requirement for becoming a mentor, as it is not needed in guiding sprouts who will lose the sprout status before they get into endgame :x

[bswpayton]

This is wrong, I have actually tried that already
While you can enter the mentor roulette regardless of which mentor version you

I saw a fellow crafting mentor before my very eyes change their crown to every crown that was aviable I will try when I get home, while I have three sixties I still have yet to do 1000 roulette's but Im pretty sure I can put on the pve mentor crown.

I just changed my crown from crafting mentor yesterday to just the normal mentor , when I was doing that tho none of the other options where blanked out. So I will try in a few hours to verify but like I said Ive seen a friend do it myself and I know that they dont even have a healer leveled up at all. The feature allows you to change them as u see fit from what I saw her doing but like I said Ill try it myself today.

[Moomba33]

This is wrong, I have actually tried that already
While you can enter the mentor roulette regardless of which mentor version you achieved (but again, you need to have actually beaten all content in it, thereby establishing you are at least qualified enough for that kind of content), the type of crown you can wear is directly limited by which requirements you fullfilled.

I can't test it myself since Eva meets the requirements for both battle and crafting Mentors so I'll have to defer to others on this discussion.

[Shougun]

The hardest content currently in the roulette is Dun Scaith. EX Primals in the roulette are old, overgeared lvl 50 ones, and while that can get tricky, it's far from needing to be able to beat current endgame content.
And like Moomba33 said, you can be a mentor without even unlocking the roulette at all. If you want to unlock it, you need to beat all content up to Dun Scaith, but it's all just normal dungeons and ARR primals and 24-man raids, no savage raiding or current primals. So while that's not hard to beat, if you are actually too bad to do that, you won't be able to use the roulette anyways. Of course that leaves entering duties with newbies from the network, but I'll go out on a limb and say that anyone who is invested enough to do that is knowledgable enough about the game to play their role well enough to complete said duty (for example, I am absolutely not convinced about my endgame tanking capabilities, but I can tank well enough to help out newbies with whatever they could want or need).

So in that scenario I think you should be good at your role, if you're in the roulette :P. I don't care what you've completed if you just want to be a helpful person. Just be helpful, that's cool. But again I firmly believe if you're going to be in a teacher position of a specific role then you should be better than "okay". And I don't think the later assumption is a safe assumption (that because they invested enough they're knowledgeable enough) seeing as how many people complain the mentor has no idea what they're doing lol.

1. I think you are highly overestimating what mentors are supposed to do. Mentoring is supposed to be for NEW players. Newbies lose their sprout status once they finish basic Heavensward, so having a specific "endgame" mentor that teaches them about savage raiding and the like makes no sense, because newbies graduate long before they hit that point.
2. That's already how it works. Basically, you can only wear the mentor symbol of the type you actually have aquired, so a Crafting Mentor can't wear a PvP mentor symbol and stuff like that.
While I absolutely think PvE mentors should be knowledgeable about all PvE encounters that a newbie might need (including mechanics to look out for and of course capable gameplay in general), that does NOT include endgame content because of the reason mentioned previously.

1. You can be a mentor at any point, even if there are no sprouts around - I do not personally see the job as mentor ending as soon as no sprouts are looking at you. Perhaps I mistake it, but if something says mentor.. I expect them to be able to mentor just by virtue of the title lol.

2. I meant like a mentor who is on a job they don't know how to play, they don't know their own job but it's true they may know the dungeon. And from what others have said it sounds like you can be mentor of whatever you want once you unlock the system (is someone wrong on that, I dunno lol). Should just change the icon, imo, so its like Mentor symbol plus a star if they're on something they're good at. Otherwise it's without a star to suggest they know the content but don't expect anything amazing from their ability. If the roulette doesn't include end game content then I don't see it being required to know it, that's very fair I agree.

So in combination; Mentor if the status is up is a mentor regardless of who is around, and what they're a mentor of they should know that content. If it says they're a DoW mentor, they better know how to play DoW jobs - imo.

If it's intended to only be helpful to brand spanking new people then I think its not really a good use of the system, since a lot of not new people could use help too lol. Also I have minor issue with the use of the word, since I like things to be defined properly but eh. If the intended system is ONLY for 1-50, then my expectation is that whatever you signify you're good at from 1-50 you need to be good at. Further suggesting the mentor system needs to last longer because if a jump potion jumps you right to the end of the "novice" system you'll still need a mentor, and you'll need it for higher end content as well.