Summoner -Rework- Confirmed

[Zodathria123]

How is that a confirmation

4.0 or 5.0 whatever think about this. when they remove all base classes from the game and people level up just their jobs.

classes gonna be effected by this the most is summoner and scholar.
I really do hope don't mess with scholar too much. but if its gonna heal at lvl1 then things might need to change little.
however summoner has been a job that large about of community has been ranting and raging for start its release. post after post never ending rage why summoner doesn't feel like summoner.

also want to point when they release egi gramour system they only did carbuncle. their was no other egis. and another fact of matter is they just different color carbuncles. no different designs or anything just different collar
they know that shit won't fly. we know that shit won't fly. so their gonna do what i think gonna do. give us more egi's we have think about ability bloat too. if they flood us with new powerful abilities. it can be dangerious to the game itself.
so they need to ton it down remake the abilities. or compact them some way

rather improving macro system making battle-macros actually like meaning they can preform just as easy as someone whos clicker. not one better then the other
or compacting the skills themselves. so we don't have so many bloody buttons clustering up our hotbars/crossbars

that leaves with another problem. each class should have a max count of 26 abilities. no higher. however pet abilities do not count. of course players expecting new abilities? its expansion of course they want see new skills for their jobs. but how do you plan to do that and keeping in within 26 limit



anyone with a brain would know summoners would get majority of the reworking. cause amount of bitchin and whining complaining how summoner didnt feel like summoner. how titan is flouting chicken nugget with arms. or ifirt this. or we need more egis. yadi yadi. what would you think any good civil game dev do. am pretty sure no 80-90% sure that summoner gonna be reworked. keep majority of final fantasy fans happy. cause when you actually have offical games sites pointing out issues with ff14 and main spotlight is summoner. something needs to be done

[Greedalox]

classes gonna be effected by this the most is summoner and scholar.

anyone with a brain would know summoners would get majority of the reworking. cause amount of bitchin and whining complaining how summoner didnt feel like summoner. how titan is flouting chicken nugget with arms. or ifirt this. or we need more egis. yadi yadi. what would you think any good civil game dev do. am pretty sure no 80-90% sure that summoner gonna be reworked. keep majority of final fantasy fans happy. cause when you actually have offical games sites pointing out issues with ff14 and main spotlight is summoner. something needs to be done

Most SMN don't complain about playstyle though, they complain they don't LOOK cool, which doesn't warrant a rework. It just needs to be made prettier, most people gave up on the DoT Warlock Q.Q back in 2.0. Bards are the ones who actually complain 1000% more than any SMN ever has over playstyle.

[Zodathria123]

Most SMN don't complain about playstyle though, they complain they don't LOOK cool, which doesn't warrant a rework. It just needs to be made prettier, most people gave up on the DoT Warlock Q.Q back in 2.0. Bards are the ones who actually complain 1000% more than any SMN ever has over playstyle.

problem is in heavensward they didn't add new egis . a-lot people where homing for new pets. so class would feel more like summoner.. fuck sake we only can summon 3 pets. one or 2 of them remotely useful. and they nerfed titan to oblivion. they told ppl that gonna release "pet gramour system"

so floating potato is no longer yellow its red or purple.. I asked my friend who just started playing she used to play 11. what is one thing that you wish your summoner had. 1: better looking pets. like you said 2: more egis more pet selection is another

problem is "Contagon" itself is so freaking strong. so either "Contagon" actually becomes a summoner spell. and is replaced something little toned down. then add more egi's or make it so that they can turn any pet they have into ranged dps/tank or melee dps very little differences between one another. but at same time still feel like new egi without making them too powerful.

well but two and two together. we already have pet gramour system. personally "I think go with more plan B then Plan A"

[Belhi]

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There is not indication what-so-ever as to what changes they might make when the simplify the class/job system. My expectation is they will simply make the transition from class to job automatic. That will mean a change for the SMN/SCH dynamic but since Arcanist is a DPS I think it is more likely Scholar would get the overhaul to be a more viable healer at lower levels. They aren't going to completely remove classes as it would mean reworking the questlines for all Jobs to at least lvl 30 which is a hell of a lot of work.

Its also worth adding that they didn't say this would happen in 5.0. Yoshi P actually said that IF it would happen it would be in 5.0 AT THE EARLIEST. They have made no promises on this part.

As for SMN in general I think peoples issue are valid but there are several important points to remember. One is that FF11's model wont transition over to FF14 well. FF14 has a fundimentally different structure and any Job design needs to fit into that and be manageable to balance. The reason they didn't add any additional Egis is because of that. As it is the existing Egi's cover all the major roles an Egi could fit. Further Egis would probably just effectively replace existing ones and people would use whatever the most optimal Egi is. Egi glamour on the other hand is something they have been working on for a long time and we are just starting to get. We will likely see more start to roll out as we move into 4.0.

[Awful]

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The problem is substance over variety, yes we can have more summons but the more summons for what situations? Just examples throwing out of my rear are, Ramuh for what AoE? Shiva for CC? Seph for punching things? What would be the point since it all derails itself from the core source the summoner which can already do those things with Garuda and Ifrit minus the CC which you can just have Garuda knock back and then Tri bind. If there was a summoner rework i'd rather them have it like Demonology Warlocks in WoW Legion if you've ever played it where it's all about summoning your demons and keeping them alive and attacking while summoning stronger demons and empowering them. If FFXIV summoner was like that it'd be pretty damn unique but in the end Smn and Sch are at each others mercy you can't change one without affecting the other and right now it's at the right balance and compliment each other.

This is why SE is never going to make another class a 2 in 1 package as it creates problems when trying to add or rework something.

A lot of summoners aren't complaining about the game play style since it's a lot more engaging then it was in 2.0 the majority complain that Egis look silly and because of the story quests they look funny.

[BHGlobbd]

rather improving macro system making battle-macros actually like meaning they can preform just as easy as someone whos clicker. not one better then the other
or compacting the skills themselves. so we don't have so many bloody buttons clustering up our hotbars/crossbars

Just had to work macros into this thread somewhere...