"At the moment we are working to get rid of the gender lock for bunny suits for men."

[Ophie-Mio]

They are working on it the same way that they said that Egi-glamours would be a thing. They mentioned it like years ago and only just now did it. Even without an expansion coming, this would be SO far down their list of things to do...which is a shame in my opinion since this is something that doesn't just pertain to the bunny outfits.

[Hirskuwil]

Consider in Japan that cross-dressing is actually on the common side; there are lots of boys who cross-dress as girls and pass for it as well due to their natural appearance, and its generally accepted.

This. Sort of. I would say most times I go out in Tokyo I see at least one older male dressed in school girl or lolita attire and no-one bats an eye. I don't think it is quite as common as you would have people believe, but definitely more common than in the West.

Edit to add that the cross-dressing I have encountered isn't just by boys with feminine features so it is obvious that it is a man wearing women's clothes.

[Vexander]

As someone also from the west it bothers me more to see child-like races/gender-race combinations wearing skimpy, sexualized clothing, than a guy in a pink tutu, particularly in a fantasy setting like FFXIV. I would say if someone's chosen glamour offends you so heavily to suggest adding a new functionality to /ignore or /blacklist (can't remember which it is) that also blocks said character from appearing on your screen.

[Rokke]

There's also the argument of immersion. Men player characters in neon pink skirts and stockings and the like vs not a single NPC that's doing it in a non-comedic way. Crossdressing doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the game at all. In a poppy kind of game? Maybe, but not here.

I dont understand the argument of "my immersion".

A dragon/demon/garlean slaying WoL with a neon purple glowstick of a staff dressed in a bikini (plus a metallic gold pig head) named Princess Partytime or Pizza Crust or Tonka Truck or something equally silly hardly fits the aesthetic of the game either, and it feels like they make up at least 1/4 of the population of Balmung.

[Hirskuwil]

That's really unfortunate, especially since we already have the option to do exactly that with the items currently available in-game.




And you might not like seeing catboys dressed this way, but I'm not too crazy about Au Ra girls in bikinis, and yet I'd never have the nerve to tell someone they shouldn't be allowed to wear one.

What clothes are these? Specifically the second set as it looks really good

[Adire]

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If you know the lore behind glamour, you'd have your answer. Glamour is simply a magical "mask" for clothing, it's not actually what's being worn. So a tank in a bikini for example is actually wearing armor, it's just glamoured by magic to appear as a bikini. So it still fulfills its lore purpose. As for names, I don't really pay much attention to them. If you're truly trying to be immersed, you won't pay much attention to names because your character wouldn't know what someone's name was anyway unless they were told.

Crossdressing however breaks the aesthetic of the game AND makes people genuinely uncomfortable. It's the mere sight of it that does so.

I'm just glad SE doesn't seem to be in a rush to implement this. The silent majority is thankful I'm sure.

[Rokke]

If you know the lore behind glamour, you'd have your answer. Glamour is simply a magical "mask" for clothing, it's not actually what's being worn. So a tank in a bikini for example is actually wearing armor, it's just glamoured by magic to appear as a bikini.

So when the male bunny suit comes out they'll be lore friendly once they're glamoured over armor then. Problem: solved.

[Adire]

So when the male bunny suit comes out they'll be lore friendly once they're glamoured over armor then. Problem: solved.

No, problem not solved, because it breaks the aesthetic of the game because crossdressing is pretty much unseen anywhere other than on players. If it were rampant among NPCs, maybe you'd have an argument. But it's not. There are NPCs in skimpy clothes, some even that do battle. Like the Miqotes in Thanalan. Some of the armor itself that drops is skimpy (like the armor that drops from Darkhold).

Besides, crossdressing is an entirely different thing from skimpy dress. An underdressed warrior is not the same thing as a crossdressed warrior, they're seen by people differently. One is wearing proper clothing for their gender, the other is not.

[Nirokun]

Au Ra easily pass for a small framed adult female, or at least of age. Lalafell are different enough looking from humans to be easily distinguishable from them, though I see your point there. Justifying one thing that bothers people by using another thing that bothers people is pointless though. Crossdressing is a completely different issue.

Public crossdressing is frowned upon in most societies and is typically only done for comedic purposes because it makes the majority of people uncomfortable to some degree. It's also not something people who are bothered by can do anything about either short of closing their eyes. So it does hurt in a way.

There's also the argument of immersion. Men player characters in neon pink skirts and stockings and the like vs not a single NPC that's doing it in a non-comedic way. Crossdressing doesn't fit with the aesthetic of the game at all. In a poppy kind of game? Maybe, but not here.

Can we also apply this kind of rigid thought and fidelity to "reality" and make male players only able to play male characters, and female players only able to play female characters? I could just as easily attribute your negative view on crossdressing to your impersonation of a female. (This of course, hinges on you actually being a male.)

[Adire]

Can we also apply this kind of rigid thought and fidelity to "reality" and make male players only able to play male characters, and female players only able to play female characters? I could just as easily attribute your negative view on crossdressing to your impersonation of a female. (This of course, hinges on you actually being a male.)

Not sure what you're getting at here. You don't think it's possible for a woman to feel uncomfortable with crossdressing?