"At the moment we are working to get rid of the gender lock for bunny suits for men."

[Serilda]

There is a difference between someone holding a weapon and someone wearing something considered for female player characters... Some people will find it disturbing simple as. It may be fantasy based but people are still playing the game and i'm sure there are some people who wouldn't want to see something like that while they play their game.

There are plenty of people playing whose lives have been negatively impacted by violence of some kind and they have to see the glorification of violence and weaponry in Eorzean adventurer culture (not to mention the frequent references to sexual violence and rape in the English localisation). There are also plenty of people playing from conservative backgrounds who are likely all-out shocked by the constant parade of women in eroticised gear like the bunny set and some other popular glamours, but they hold their tongues because there's a perception that 'fan service' content aimed at the straight male gaze is more acceptable than its counterpart aimed at those who appreciate the male form.

Personally, I find it disturbing that an obvious bias exists at all in such an open, inclusive game in the first place, and I don't believe it has ever been the creators' deliberate intent to let this situation happen the way it has; they've generally been deeply accommodating to the 'female gaze' and created a refreshingly relaxed in-game world where everyone can feel welcome. I have a lot of sympathy for the example raised of (especially MtF) trans people who struggle with the sight of people taking what they perceive to be their own struggles with the gender binary and turning it into part of their entertainment, but ultimately this particular issue isn't about trans people (we can freely choose our character's gender) or even crossdressing in the first place (we aren't even asking for an exact clone of the ladies' set and crossdressing has long been possible within FFXIV). They're important issues in society, of course, but in this case I don't see how it matters whether the vulnerabilities of some trans people might justify restricting the freedom of some genderqueer people in case other people might be after the new outfits for the wrong reasons, because it's got nothing to do with the actual thread. In the same way, those with a problem with the ongoing situation with excessive sexualisation of female characters in gaming (which items like the bunny costumes perpetuate) are perfectly entitled to feel that way, but it would be an irrelevant point to bring up in this particular topic and if we don't want anyone to be able to appreciate bodies of any shape or size in sexy clothing I'm afraid that ship sailed a long, long time ago. These complaints should have been raised and debated back when the actual costumes were first being requested.

All this is about is about male characters having a fair counterpart to the female-only bunny costumes as we were promised was coming.

[Texa]

I'm sorry but it still baffles me how it is acceptable to some people to basically murder people in a game BECAUSE it's just a game but those same people can't see a male in a skirt BECAUSE it's just a game!
I mean if you can't break all the real life rules and do stuff you wouldn't in real life what's the point of a game in the first place?
This genuinely isn't a troll.I truly just want to understand how this can really bother people so much

It's largely because many of us were taught from a very young age that boys shouldn't like feminine things. Like, girls can be super into football and LEGO sets that aren't made to pander to them and it's usually viewed positively. But if a boy wants to play with dolls or he wants to dance ballet it's viewed as being creepy or a sign that he's not straight. I used to work at a big retail store, and I'd see little boys who genuinely wanted princess toys all of the time. Their parents would always shoot them down and make them get a "boy" toy instead and it'd make them really upset.
For some people that way of thinking can be so strong that they can't engage and suspend their disbelief in media that let men enjoy traditionally feminine things.

It's just that ingrained into them that if a man wants to be cute or pretty there's something wrong with him and the narrative at large.

[Nestama]

There is a difference between someone holding a weapon and someone wearing something considered for female player characters... Some people will find it disturbing simple as. It may be fantasy based but people are still playing the game and i'm sure there are some people who wouldn't want to see something like that while they play their game.

So because some will find it disturbing, it should never be in the game, ever? I wonder how many people I disturb with my glamour (which is pretty much a leather daddy glamour)...

[ErryK]

There is a difference between someone holding a weapon and someone wearing something considered for female player characters... Some people will find it disturbing simple as. It may be fantasy based but people are still playing the game and i'm sure there are some people who wouldn't want to see something like that while they play their game.

There's this thing called a camera, you turn it away from things you don't want to see.

[ChocoFeru]

I think you guys are getting it wrong.

The bunny costume originated being a woman costume in real life, and that's why they made it for women characters here in FFXIV.
There's no homophobia or prejudices involved here.

The problem is devtime, because if they make it for everybody they should double the devtime. That's all. There's not a conspiracy against your rights or an alligator misoginistic god that controls SE.


Remember that with this mindset you'll find everything problematic, because if SE releases the bunny costume for men, then you'll ask for panties, bra, or even genitals like that Conan game.
Relax, nobody is against you. https://puu.sh/tLeoD/3c1fdc7529.png

[Serilda]

The bunny costume originated being a woman costume in real life, and that's why they made it for women characters here in FFXIV.

The problem is devtime, because if they make it for everybody they should double the devtime. That's all. There's not a conspiracy against your rights or an alligator misoginistic god that controls SE.

What. I can't even get mad because of the picture :S

Oh wait, I can. The devtime complaint is no problem; a tiny minority of other players are the ones with issues, not S-E who are already making this new outfit for us. Doubling the devtime for new glamour outfits - if that's what's needed to let everyone use them - is just how the game is made; should they only make sexy new glamours for Miqo'te and Au Ra girls to save time because not many people play Roegadyn in comparison? That would be a huge mistake, just like making a bunch of female-only glamours was a huge mistake. If they can't afford to release as many glamours without leaving half their playerbase out, that's a problem which needs addressing in a better way than leaving the same half of their playerbase out each time and hoping nobody will notice.

The bunny costume is chiefly worn by women in real life, yes. But guys can (and do) wear sexy costumes too in real life. Furthermore, bunny ears and tails actually originated with real life bunnies, which date back a lot longer than sexualised fetish costumes for women. I don't see a problem.

[ChocoFeru]

The bunny costume is chiefly worn by women in real life, yes. But guys can (and do) wear sexy costumes too in real life. Furthermore, bunny ears and tails actually originated with real life bunnies, which date back a lot longer than sexualised fetish costumes for women. I don't see a problem.

Nobody stops you to make a female character or change it with Fantasia.

And I understand everybody wants similar costumes as female characters, and I want it too, but I can understand that it was intended for a female role too, just like Minfilia costume is for female characters and Cid for male. And yeah, a male could wear Minfilia's clothing for example, but that would change the meaning of it.

Or (spoilerish) for example, the scene where Hildibrand wears a women's dress wouldn't have the same meaning/impact if everybody else could wear it. Opening some doors closes others, and we should just accept how this game is done.
Of course we can shout our opinions and stuff, but there's no need to be irrational, offended or exaggerated over everything.

And bunny ears and tails actually originated with cells, which date back a lot longer than little bunnies and sexualised fetish costumes for women!

[Serilda]

Nobody stops you to make a female character or change it with Fantasia.

And bunny ears and tails actually originated with cells, which date back a lot longer than little bunnies and sexualised fetish costumes for women!

When did I ever say I wanted to play a female character? I like being male and want to stay male. I just want to be a guy who has the same access to the glamour action as my friends with female characters. We're not complaining about outfits where the guys get their own different (but locked) equivalent in this thread.

We can already wear wolf tails and succubus horns (succubi - unlike bunnies - are actually female by definition). So again, I don't see why certain types of fluffy tails and animal bodyparts are the exclusive domain of female characters. And even if they are, that's fine. Give us a male-exclusive fox/bear/anything outfit instead if specifically wearing rabbit ears will damage anyone's delicate sensibilities. Call it a Hare set rather than a Bunny set. I don't care. There are plenty of options here and most of them are better than having no equivalent glamour sets at all.

(Edit: If they do give us a different set - let's say a bear set, for the sake of example - I guarantee that within seconds of the reveal there will be a petition on this very forum with female characters demanding they unlock it. So it would be much simpler for everyone if they just give us the bunny ears they already modelled. Seriously.)

[Lukha]

Nobody stops you to make a female character or change it with Fantasia.

Of course we can shout our opinions and stuff, but there's no need to be irrational, offended or exaggerated over everything.

But I don't want to play a female character, I want to play a male, and I want to dress him up to be sexy.

And the only people getting irrational or offended are the ones coming in here to complain that how I dress my character might potentially offend them, so I shouldn't be allowed to do what I like.

[Serilda]

Could I make a polite request that people who want to disagree about the topic (which is simply asking about the timeframe for an item the game's developers have openly teased in the past, nothing that I would normally think needs 15 pages of heated debate...) actually read what the pro-bunny people are saying instead of inventing some agenda and accusing us of being hyper-sensitive deviants who want to destroy the fabric of society now it looks as though we might eventually be getting something nice? Most of the hysterical anger is based on things nobody has actually said in this topic, invented by people looking for an excuse to be angry about men being harmlessly excited about novelty bunny ears. We've done the whole 'use a fantasia!' and 'crossdressing is wrong!' debates dozens of times by this point.