Cross-Class - System = Is it Cancer?

[AmalonStar]

Do people like you actively avoid reading what you're replying to? I don't mean read it as in seeing the words on your screen, but actually READ it and take in the information contained in the words.

For someone that comments about having an open mind, yours is pretty closed.

You obviously missed the part where he had commented that whm has no uniqueness to it compared to ast and sch, that's where I disagree with him.

Secondly yea they could adjust the dmg mobs do and remove protect all together, only downside is whm has always had a protect spell.

Thirdly did you miss the part about me saying they could give mobs a de-buff ability to remove buffs on the party like protect which would in turn require the healer to watch for when buffs get dispelled to re-cast?

Who isn't READING everything now? I have an open mind about things and every job has something that stands out and makes it useful. Anything can use improvement, nothing is perfect.

[GMERC]

Thirdly did you miss the part about me saying they could give mobs a de-buff ability to remove buffs on the party like protect which would in turn require the healer to watch for when buffs get dispelled to re-cast?

That was me.

[Klamor]

again....

WHM used to have the benefit of having Enhanced Protect, which caused the WHMs protect to give the party a 10% Defense and Magic Defense buff, which obviously made having a WHM in the party mandatory, aside from the fact that SCH + SCH is still a horrible combination because of shields not stacking, among other reasons.

Right now, WHM has absolutely nothing that makes it stand out from the other healers. Protect is simplified and homogenized. AST's heals were buffed to be comparable to WHM in potency, with the flexibility of Diurnal/Nocturnal which WHM doesn't have. The cards... SCH deals more dps and is more mobile than WHM, coupled with AST's cards and having the fairy to heal while the SCH deals damage, the effect is multiplied. WHM no longer has any type of uniqueness that it may have once had. Tetragrammaton? Essential Dignity/Lustrate, check. Regen? Fae-whatever and Aspected Benefic, check. Asylum? Sacred Soil, and whatever the AST has that immobilizes them... check, check. The fairy is a more powerful version of regen than either of the other two healers have, with the benefit of being able to be micromanaged for party wide buffs, cleanses, speed buffs...

I commented about having Protect act like Stoneskin already, so... check. Unless you're talking about having mobs remove a 30-minute party-wide buff and have the healer spend the mana reapplying that same buff when a boss removes it from the tank periodically... then I have no words for that.

Frankly, I enjoy having Protect and Stoneskin as a Paladin, simply because I enjoy my own flexibility to assist the healers in casting Protect on a freshly-raised party member while the boss is charging up an attack, or Protecting/Stoneskinning my party members in PVP. However, something that the game expects you to have at all times isn't useful in the slightest. The argument could be made about tank stances and particular dps-stances (Fists of Fire) but the flexibility of not using those buffs is an actual nuance to those particular jobs that actually adds depth to the game in a risk/reward sort of fashion.

Do I really need to teach you about these jobs or can you at least do some research on your own considering you have these jobs at 60?

[AmalonStar]

That was me.

I'm where? I just re-read all your posts and didn't see you mention anything of the sort. Unless you're meaning it was in that other thread you were talking in, if the thing you posted in your first comment is what you're meaning it's too small for me to read off my phone so I have no idea what it says.

[AmalonStar]

Do I really need to teach you about these jobs or can you at least do some research on your own considering you have these jobs at 60?

Whm is still useful and has skills the others don't have and others that I've talked to still prefer to have a whm in combination to an ast or a sch for end game content. Also I have a habit of surprising parties with what I can do with whm because they've under estimated the job, I've played whm for close to 15 years and even tho whm is missing spells and has had some spells combined into each other than what I'm used to I know that job inside and out.

Ast I haven't played too much to be an exact expert but I'm still good on it, it's missing some things I do miss that whm has with nothing that's even similar. As for sch I haven't really played it, only levelled it to lv 37 then switched to smn because I didn't like how it played and having to rely on the fairy for the bulk of your healing.

[Mithrahn]

I'm where? I just re-read all your posts and didn't see you mention anything of the sort. Unless you're meaning it was in that other thread you were talking in, if the thing you posted in your first comment is what you're meaning it's too small for me to read off my phone so I have no idea what it says.

Check post #17.
9 minutes before yours.

[AmalonStar]

Do I really need to teach you about these jobs or can you at least do some research on your own considering you have these jobs at 60?

Sorry one thing more to add, between my heals and my dps with my whm there are a lot of tanks that have had some trouble maintaining hate on everything. Even ppl I know that are great tanks have on occasion started to loose a little but of hate on mobs, I know my job cause I've taken the time to learn it inside and out.

[AmalonStar]

Check post #17.
9 minutes before yours.

If that is the one with the link/pic thing like I said the lettering is too small on it to read on my phone, I'm at work and have been for the past 4 hrs. I can take a look at it when I get home from my graveyard shift.

[LalaRu]

Why do we -need- Protect, anyway?

You mean, damage reduction is useless?
In a time where average ilevel is 250 and duties were done for the times i80 was something reserved to high raiders, you are right. In duties where it is easy to end up to 1% of your HP, maybe not.

Not to mention, when a duty starts, everyone is silent and -expecting- protect being cast, anyway. It is the way to tell party "hey, yes, I'm the healer, here is proof!"

Back to the OP, I guess now that we know the skill system will be revamped, we just have to sit and wait what happens next.

Edit: on the other side, I'll agree about it not have to be a spell but an healer's passive party buff. But the game haven't player passives so (imo) the reason for it being a spell.

[Beckett]

The main reason Protect exists as a spell instead of a permanent buff is because Protect is a Final Fantasy staple. Removing it it from XIV would be like removing Chocobos.