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    UAnchovy's Avatar
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    Esyllt Periglor
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    White Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Lyraele View Post
    At lower levels the main mistake Paladin's make, that I have observed, is under-using Flash (plus Riot Blade to keep mana up). At low levels, Flash can pretty much keep up with anything the DPS can do. And it gets better once you have Shield Oath, too. Once you have Shield Oath, Some Flash lead-instead followed by cycling through targets with enmity combo should be enough, at least in my experience.
    I found this while levelling paladin, for what it's worth. A DPS synced down to my level advised me to always Flash two or three times in order to hold aggro, and while that works, it also... looks kind of dumb? As a paladin, I want to use my weapon skills, not just Flash all the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Oh yeah, and I try to help out new tanks when I can but you can easily out do a few flashes if you wanted (given the right job, and level range - and ofc the main point of this thread, the ilvl diff. issue that sometimes pops up). Like as BLM I could peel the entire group from a low level Paladin, I stopped as soon as I noticed that and calmed down but it was like OH HI GUYS.
    Indeed. Levelling black mage or any high-burst class makes it very easy to take aggro, and it's not because the tank is playing badly. The tank is doing fine. Their tools just aren't enough to match the DPS' aggro generation at lower levels.
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    Wubrant Drakesbane
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    Fisher Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by UAnchovy View Post
    Indeed. Levelling black mage or any high-burst class makes it very easy to take aggro, and it's not because the tank is playing badly. The tank is doing fine. Their tools just aren't enough to match the DPS' aggro generation at lower levels.
    As WAR or DRK I never had that issue though, the aoe enmity plus damage was enough and felt better than flash haha (although I must admit I haven't leveled warrior or dark knight through the powercreep gaps of 50/60, so it might become an issue). To be clear I mean losing hate no matter what you do when there is an ilvl gap, I still noticed that things are really close even though they were easier - unusually close (like holding hate in a EX / end raid is easier). Was worse on Paladin though. Perhaps its always Paladin issue while low level + leveling lol.

    As Paladin I could use like one flash if the group wasn't synced down to the dungeon but if they were then it was flash party, and fairly tight (I can see new Paladins not seeing this step right away, and not wanting to do this as well - cause its boring lol). So I agree that just because they CAN peel doesn't mean the tank is bad, but I would suggest that a Paladin could probably hold hate even if a burst class tried if they're not the lowest lvl/ilvl in the group - except feel very bored doing a flash disco (like when I go back to lvl 20 sycned, it's no longer a thing). And making the ilvl gap less of an issue would make flash party less of a thing I think, although I still feel Paladin's aoe management could be made more exciting.

    If that was confusing basically = agree :P
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    Last edited by Shougun; 01-31-2017 at 05:10 PM.

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    Sou Sou
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    I remember a few days ago in Halitali normal when I was trying to level my gladiator there was a black mage who kept taking aggro off me, despite me being very excessive with Flash and Savage Blade combo. No matter what I did, even in the few dungeons before it, I couldn't consistently keep enmity nor dent the aggro that they had built up.

    I wouldn't know of a solution to the item sync problem, mainly because it could end up making old content very slow and boring because of losing power.
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    Last edited by Souijinn; 01-31-2017 at 06:52 PM.