[Mechanics] Zurvan Extreme and Soar

[Etrius]

So, after playing in the Raid Finder for a couple of times, i've noticed that Soar is a "hard" mechanic because it doesn't use always the same patterns.

After a really few tries, hardcore players found out that Soar could be skipped if Zurvan hits 75% HP... and that's not a good thing. Why?

The Party Finder now is filled with people that cleared it and still can't handle Soar properly, making the new cross-server PF a toxic mess that makes Soar skipping a requirement!

I'd like to ask the dev team and Yoshi-P: Could you please fix Zurvan Extreme, making it impossible to skip Soar?
Hardcore players need to learn on dealing with it, not bypass it desperately with high DPS numbers... Otherwise, why invest development money into interesting boss mechanics if you can ignore it?

They asked for difficult content. Now that "it's too hard" they can't beat without going through a simple mechanic? Think about it. Because it'll be worse when Omega's new difficulty hits.

[ErryK]

Hard and annoying are two different terms that you seem to be mixing up.

As it is, yes, Zurvan is broken in that his phase skip is at 75%, not at 80% or 70%. Soar isn't that hard to do, my static manages it just fine, but obviously, PF is a mess.

[Silica-chan]

making the new cross-server PF a toxic mess

Sounds like the PF I knew since I started to do lv 50 stuff

[Lone-wolfe-02]

Don't blame the hardcore players. Blame the devs for making such an easily exploitable boss, most pf seem to use a tank lb for second soar anyways which furthers trivializes the fight.

[ZaleraPraxis]

not bypass it desperately with high DPS numbers

While I agree that arguably the only interesting mechanic of this fight shouldn't be skippable, or at least so easily... "desperation" isn't involved here. Anyone who's been keeping up on gear, raiding or not, can skip Soar if they know how to perform their opener.

[thegreatonemal]

Most fights can skip things with high dps that isn't the issue. The issue is basically all of the guides make skipping it a priority they all seem to start at saying "welcome to my guide this fight can be soloed tanked and soloed healed and skip a bunch of stuff with high dps" That right there set up this whole mess that and the world first people saying how easy the fight is so everyone who is not geared out right to push phases like that is trying to push the phase.

that's the problem the solution is simple. Dear community, not all of you are capable of skipping soar but wait it does not really matter if you skip the first one or not as it happens twice and the fight so you have to learn it anyway, no, tank lb will NOT save you it just gives you a little breathing room for error but you still have to do the mechanic. I've seen so many parties skip the first soar to wipe to the second.

[AlphaFox]

Honestly its not bad and the pattern is fixed for the most part, just between 2 options. What I do is remember where I need to stand via the star pattern and on my minimap I will flag where I go for the squish just incase so I can get into the general area. Otherwise its fairly easy I think, make sure south soar is on my left/right and such depending on where you get put.

[Lexia]

Seems like one of those fights that the community makes it harder then what it really is.

[JunseiKei]

So, after playing in the Raid Finder for a couple of times, i've noticed that Soar is a "hard" mechanic because it doesn't use always the same patterns.

Soar only has 2 variations. It's one of the easiest divebombs in the game.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I have to agree with OP on this one, the fact it is able to skipped does put a tight knot into your selection. With the fight being 250 ilv requirement I don't think I've ever seen Soar skipped until I was in a 260+ party, yet go into a training party and people will quit out because the group didn't skip Soar, going on about low DPS. I've seen more groups have more knowledge on the entire fight, that couldn't skip Soar, and not have clears vs groups that have cleared, can easily skip Soar, but have less overall knowledge.

It's odd that the game has progressed like it has, as back in 2.0 when fights would kill you if you had groups with too high dps. I didn't think punishing groups because of that reason was the right thing to do, but I also don't think punishing the player because they couldn't skip Soar. Reiterating what I said, you can still clear the fight without skipping this mechanic. It almost seems as there is never any middle ground with much of the content in this game.