I share my experience from chaos : when pvp veteran players use to q as premade ( 8 man ) doing pvp only , most of the game end by a win for us getting +1100/1200 from kills meanwhile we have people yelling in shout OMG focus crystal OMG stop suicide , they don't even realize we are farming enemy team ( cuz they don't even look at the score they just watch how many ppl on ice). What can i say is that a strong pvp party inside the alliance who is able to farm other allies will ALWAYS win vs ppl who only focus ice.