Thread: Healing responsibilities after 1.20

Originally Posted by grandm

maybe, i can't say i thought of that, but in any case it seems to me this would be minor sub job for the WHM to do at the very beginning of a long boss battle. and by no means the primary focus of WHM, it one of them things that will be helpful if it hit but i don't think it would be the difference between life or death. nor do i think it really makes much of a difference to the OPs concerns on how to set up his CON with materia, primary job healing that is your only real concern

Totally agree. Healing is job 1, and if the situation allows it then you add this in. However, I can see trying to keep the debuff on mobs as a CON. I know that it will be one of the first things I try.

I can't wait to see how our new action's work... I can't wait. Curious about how much potency we get as we increase levels and how useful the basic cure is later on. ^^

Also, I can't wait for jobs. Paladin HoT is gonna be great. Also curious about the enmity changes they mentioned as well.

Originally Posted by grandm

maybe, i can't say i thought of that, but in any case it seems to me this would be minor sub job for the WHM to do at the very beginning of a long boss battle. and by no means the primary focus of WHM, it one of them things that will be helpful if it hit but i don't think it would be the difference between life or death. nor do i think it really makes much of a difference to the OPs concerns on how to set up his CON with materia, primary job healing that is your only real concern

My point was, how healing is distributed will affect how everyone gears their character.

I think the discussion in this thread has been great so far and is evidence that SE should at least tell us what their concept is. The whole thing won't come to fruition until jobs are implemented. But in the months till then, it's be nice to invest my time in materia properly.

Will my LNC need to load up on acc, or can I add some crit potency and str? Should my CNJ bother with magic potency/accuracy, or should I load up on MP and enmity-?

Materia is meant to take a long time, so I think it'd be great to be able to not waste the next few months of working on it while we wait for these battle redesigns to be fully realized.

I know some are writing it off as "the nukes are for soloing" but the debuffs obviously were intended for a party situation. But taking the time to combo spells will cause a rough situation unless Cnj only had to heal the target of the mob.

CNJ not needing to Cure bomb the whole party is evident in all the healing abilities and HoT and regen effects.

To me, it seems like a good party after 1.20 won't need the kind of cure spam they do now. But that's only if everyone does their part. If everyone does, then Cnj can do their part in boosting acc and/or dmg.

I guess it really boils down to what someone else said: cost, potency and proc rate vs the value of ignoring the whole thing and cure spamming.

It will be interesting to see the potency and cost of all of these new spells. I don't necessarily envision a CON that has a ton of free time and MP, but I do see the possibility of a stronger stoneskin, stronger base cures, and greater damage mitigation from the tank, as well as additional options for the DD to recover small amounts of HP lost from incidentals.

I personally would rather that SE did not state a vision. I understand your concern about working on Materia, but that's why retainers across Eorzea are currently sitting on over 100 grade 3 and 4 materia each. Even with a statement of vision, it will be difficult to know the best stats for your class, aside from the obvious. Plus, the way it is we get to decide what our role is in a group (to a degree, I don't expect to see DD CONs). Let the players decide what works best and let SE sit back and say, "We never saw ninja tanking as an option when we..."

I'm pretty sure those CNJ spells aren't debuffs. Yes, it says "Increased accuracy against target," and, "Increased damage towards target," but that's not meant as a debuff. It's saying that the increase is only valid against the target you're using the combo on, not every target that gets hit in the AoE.

Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

The above CNJ spells are not exclusive. One has a DoT effect, and the other reduces magic evasion against earth magic. Both can be equipped and used as such by THM, and probably will be more potent as such.

The above two CNJ spells are the second tier combo spells in their respective elements.
The first one has an extra effect of dispelling an effect on the target. When used in a combo with CNJ Mag. 8 it has higher accuracy against the target of the spell. This does not mean it increases accuracy of all attacks on the target from other players.
The second one has an extra effect of inflicting Heavy on the targets it hits. When used in a combo following CNJ Mag. 10 it does increased damage on the target of the spell. This does not mean it inflicts a debuff on the target that increases the damage done to them.

Let's not confuse all combo bonuses as being debuffs.

For the Tier 1 Wind spell, I can see THMs having that on their bar for the DoT effect, but I can't see them using the Tier 1 Earth spell unless the Elemental advantage is quite significant; THM only has access to that specific earth spell, and they can't even combo with it. They would almost always make better use of their MP by doing combos with their own spells.

As for the combo effects... I believe you have the right of it. I was initially convinced when I read it, but after reading it again, and re-reading the ability lists for all classes, I have come to agree with your view of it. There is still a bit of uncertainty in my mind, as there are no other "Target AOE" spells with which to compare the wording of the combo effect, but it is most likely not a debuff. So... it looks like CON will still have a Dispel effect that it can land, but will otherwise be spamming cures and occasional stoneskins.