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    AST "The Spear"

    Not sure if developers even look at this. This is my first post.

    Just wondering if there have been any considerations on changing "The Spear" from "Reducing ability recast time" to "Flat seconds off of abilities on cool-down."

    I find myself never using Spear, because knowing if others skills are on cool-down or not never gets brought up. And since it only works if they haven't used the skills yet.

    Just a thought. Anyone care to weigh in?

    Examples:

    Normal: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 5 seconds.
    Extended: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 5 seconds, after 5 seconds Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 5 seconds.
    Enhanced: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 8 seconds.
    Expanded: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on all party members by 3 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veachie View Post
    Not sure if developers even look at this. This is my first post.


    Just a thought. Anyone care to weigh in?

    Examples:

    Normal: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 5 seconds.
    Extended: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 5 seconds, after 5 seconds Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 5 seconds.
    Enhanced: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on party member or self by 8 seconds.
    Expanded: Reduce abilities recast on cooldown on all party members by 3 seconds.
    That would make spear even less viable lol.
    The fact that spear reduces the CD time by a % is whats keeping it desireable. Think Hallowed Ground, Battle Litany, Perfect Balance, aka anything >120 second CD. Spear can allow these to be used one additional time in a typical 8-12 minute fight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CookieMonsta View Post
    That would make spear even less viable lol.
    The fact that spear reduces the CD time by a % is whats keeping it desireable. Think Hallowed Ground, Battle Litany, Perfect Balance, aka anything >120 second CD. Spear can allow these to be used one additional time in a typical 8-12 minute fight.
    I'm not a AST player much, but would it work if instead of X seconds off, it's X% seconds off? Still similar to the suggestion, but scales with the cooldown timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilenya View Post
    I'm not a AST player much, but would it work if instead of X seconds off, it's X% seconds off? Still similar to the suggestion, but scales with the cooldown timer.
    The best way to make Spear viable is by having it affect EVERYTHING. Not just one or the other.
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    My point is The Spear is worthless right now. It takes to much coordination and takes away from the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veachie View Post
    My point is The Spear is worthless right now. It takes to much coordination and takes away from the game.
    To be fair, everything is bad compared to Balance or Bole lol. But coordination is what makes this game good, take that away are you are mindless.
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    That would make spear even less viable lol.
    The fact that spear reduces the CD time by a % is whats keeping it desireable. Think Hallowed Ground, Battle Litany, Perfect Balance, aka anything >120 second CD. Spear can allow these to be used one additional time in a typical 8-12 minute fight.
    The issue with this is coordination...Most people just run expanded balance cause its easy to use.
    It would be more useful in this new manor and they can just balance the numbers later. You cant think of static number.
    It would be so much better in a party scenario.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veachie View Post
    The issue with this is coordination...Most people just run expanded balance cause its easy to use.
    Let's be completely honest, though, letting some jobs re-use CDs from their openers one more time during a fight, one which is already very likely scripted in how they use those same CDs, is probably less of a DPS gain than giving the same 8 people a +10% damage boost for 40 seconds. And this only applies to the opener, use of Spear at later points in the fight is completely unreliable and thus the card becomes garbage. In a game in which boss jumps are so common and phase changes dictate the timing of CD usage, you can't expect a card that requires such coordination and cannot reliably be drawn to be of any real use.

    Sure, it's nice in theory with the abilities that have long recasts, but in praxis it's hot garbage.
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    Please SE. Take away coordination. We love the current dance.
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    Coordination just in the instance of Spear. Im not saying take it away in the whole game. I dont understand where you got that from?
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