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  1. #21
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    AnaviAnael's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    if anything I'd say EU could do with another datacentre, or Australia/NZ (though Aus/NZ do technically have 3 datacentres to choose from, but I understand they're mostly Japanese servers. Not sure how you'd fix that. I guess they could start a branch of the mostly AUS servers and pipe them into a new datacentre offering affected players free transfers back to the JP datacentres). Europe only has one datacentre, and that datacentre has the least amount of servers out of any datacentre period. So it's a tie between EU and AU/NZ that needs a new datacentre IMO.
    Yeah, I'd be more in favor of AU/NZ getting a data center before anyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaviAnael View Post
    Yeah, I'd be more in favor of AU/NZ getting a data center before anyone else.
    Players in that part of the world are at a distinct disadvantage. But the drawback would be the relatively smaller size of the local player population (I mean relative to NA, JPN or EU), so you might see 1 or two servers, not quite a data center. For cross server DF/PF you'd need to pair with one of the existing data centers. So any content with players from beyond your server(s) you'd still have lag issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Felis View Post
    I doubt all EU servers are full. And even if, new server would be cheaper than a new datacentre that don't fill up.
    If you combine the population of Zodiark and Lich, the most "empty" servers on EU, you will get a server slightly more populated than Balmung.

    I'm not saying we need more servers, but if the 2 lowest are already at mid capacity imagine the rest.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    No, I'm suggesting that it would fix the OPs ridiculously long ping times. Where did you get the idea that VPN would fix the kind of issue you raise?However, just to play along with your question, the network lag time involved in the use of LB abilities would not be significantly altered by physically moving the data center across the border. Network latency is affected more by the number of routing hops than the actual distance - unless you're literally playing on the NA Servers from the other side of the world (sorry Australia). In addition, the polling interval on the server for character position and actions will have a far greater impact than any normal network lag.

    Consider that the player hits the button for the LB, that takes about a quarter of a second from the decision to the reaction of pressing the button, that goes to the server, so add whatever the total network lag is, the server does something with it, and updates all the clients, incurring not only the processing time on the server, but also the network lag of the return trip, and then your client displays the result. Including the fluid motion of battle and random lag that is subtle enough to not really be a spike, and you have a fairly wide margin of timing error. To the player, it can feel fairly sluggish because of that.

    Games overcome this either by going peer to peer, leaving everything on the client side - which means it's open to the possibility of client side exploiting/cheating; or by allowing the client to handle some more of the work, using predictive movement of other characters on the client side to make it appear that everything is happening in real time (But, again it's open to exploit on the client side). That works much of the time, but if the movement predictions are wrong, when the attack is processed by the server, and the client updates, the action can change jarringly - "Hey! I swear I was TOTALLY out of the AoE in time!" On their screen they probably were, but...

    SE's client server model puts more on the server and less on the client in order to avoid exploits.

    The truth is that unless game clients communicate peer to peer, the network lag of the process will inevitably impact time sensitive actions. FFXIV is emphatically a client server game, not peer to peer, no matter what you do there will always be inherent lag, that can be masked to an extent, but will never be removed.

    The most that using a VPN service would do is reduce the total network lag by reducing the number of hops, but there will still be some network lag, server lag and client lag. Even if the polling interval on the server was as low as 200ms, that's still 12 frames of action at 60fps, which doesn't even include the overall network lag, or client processing. I honestly don't see how you expect a MMO to truly perform like it is a real time combat game such as Tekken.

    Many of the issues in that topic you linked sound to me like they are impacted more by animation lock than anything else.
    I do not know what Tekken is but if the servers can't process fast enough could they slow the game down? FFXI did not have these problems and that game is old. When I killed something it registered instantly, not 2 seconds later. I never seen stunned monsters hit people while being stunned and took time to register.

    Anyways I sill like to try it, what do I do? level 3 is driving me nuts
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    Last edited by Ama_Hamada; 01-28-2017 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnaviAnael View Post
    Yeah, I'd be more in favor of AU/NZ getting a data center before anyone else.
    Or Singapore, I don't know, between those is okay for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kosmos992k View Post
    Players in that part of the world are at a distinct disadvantage. But the drawback would be the relatively smaller size of the local player population (I mean relative to NA, JPN or EU), so you might see 1 or two servers, not quite a data center. For cross server DF/PF you'd need to pair with one of the existing data centers. So any content with players from beyond your server(s) you'd still have lag issues.
    The simplest solution for us AU/NZ/Oceania players has always been for SE to create a dedicated official english server on one of the JP data centres. They would just need to give us free transfers to said server so we can all gather together.

    But SE for some reason they just never seem to care about our region and they never show any interest in growing the user base from here.
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    600-800 from CA?

    maybe just change your ISP.

    When I was in Singapore, I got 200ms playing on NA data center.
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    There's a yuge corporate building in los angelos that says Square Enix. Why can't they be moved there?
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    600-800 of ping!!!???
    I seriously doubt is SE's fault, i mean i'm playing from Chile, like literally thousands of kilometers further away than you and i have 180-190 ms of ping.
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    Last edited by micheleuno; 01-29-2017 at 03:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by micheleuno View Post
    600-800 of ping!!!???
    I seriously doubt is SE's fault, i mean i'm playing from Chile, like literally thousands of kilometers further away than you and i have 180-190 ms of ping.
    I'm playing from Europe on a NA server and I have 100-110 ping, I love Canada hosted servers <3.
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