Quote Originally Posted by shao32 View Post
for have a warrior on lvl 60 looks like you dont know nothing about the job, WAR have a skill name MAIM, this skill is part of you regular combos and increse all damage dealt by 20%, in defiance and maim up warrior only suffer a penalitation of -5% in the end, not a -25%, plus all skill that use wrath are not affect by the damage penalitation, paladin have a permanent -15% of damage penalitation without chance to reduce it in any way, so you argument is invalid.
I'm not going to get involved in the original topic, but you're wrong about this. WAR and PLD both lose about the same percentage of DPS when you compare full DPS stance vs full tank stance, which means WAR loses more actual DPS since their numbers are actually higher (in my tests on SSS, PLD loses ~400 DPS and WAR loses ~500 DPS). Your point about Maim is irrelevant because it's also used in Deliverance and should have 100% uptime, so the damage gained from it is also reduced by Defiance. When WAR is in tank stance they have a 25% damage penalty, they lose the 5% damage buff from Deliverance, they lose 10% crit on every Fell Cleave/Decimate (and the effect of crit stacks on every other skill), and they lose 200 potency every time they use Inner Beast instead of Fell Cleave. Unchained makes up for a lot of that, but it doesn't stop WAR from having a higher DPS loss.