WAR damage is lacking

[CommanderNarwhal]

In end game content, it is becoming regular for paladins and darkknights to, while main tanking, parse as high as warriors or in the case of A11 savage, higher on average. Warriors lose 25% damage from being in defiance while paladins lose 15% from shield oath. Warriors gain 5% from deliverance while paladins gain a massive 75 potency attack after every auto and dark knights gain a virtually permanent 15% increase to all damage. Almost all of warriors impressive points, namely berserk and fell cleave, have become severely lacking in the face of goring blade or scourge.
High damage is a key part of what makes warriors viably applicable in raid and not having it has almost pushed double paladin into the meta.

TL;DR warrior damage is suffering, how can they put warrior back in the spot it traditionally filled as a high damage off tank without making it broken?

[BorisDaBlade]

Trolololol
Fflogs alex savage:

Pld average: 825

War average: 1275

Drk average: 1175

Your argument is invalid.

[CommanderNarwhal]

top FFlogs show warrior doing 2,385 and dark knight doing 2484 on 9 savage, the argument isn't invalid, its proven

[aleph_null]

top FFlogs show warrior doing 2,385 and dark knight doing 2484 on 9 savage, the argument isn't invalid, its proven

Where the fuck did you pull those numbers from?

https://www.fflogs.com/rankings/13#b...ps&class=Tanks

In every boss' tank dps leaderboard wars take the most spots in the first page. In every fastest clear of each fight the war in the group outdps'd the drk, except in the fastest a9s clear, due to the war not using even a single aoe skill (no overpower no decimate) to maximize dps output on the boss, while drk has dark passenger to hit the adds. Even in a12s where wars go into timegate, they still generally outdps their groups' drk.

The only fight where drk often has more dps than war at similar percentile is a11s due to the OT's jobs in that fight, e.g. picking up adds, moving away for GA100, disengaging for spread optical sight, but at higher percentiles (95%+) war overtook drk again, possibly due to skipping adds and/or optical sights, or having the OT eat vuln stack during spread optical sight.

[Sarcatica]

top FFlogs show warrior doing 2,385 and dark knight doing 2484 on 9 savage, the argument isn't invalid, its proven

In case if this thread is not poking fun, you are probably looking at the speedrun static tab. The reason why DRK and PLD can parse comfortably around the same as WAR if not more, is purely because those top tier teams make it happen.

In a9s as an example, the adds aren't aoed by WAR while DRK contributes sick amount of aoes via Dark Passenger and Salted Earth mostly. This has been heavily experimented by the top raiders, it took them to keep evolving the strat from week3 onwards. Now there is even a strat to get lb3 before faust drops at 2:40ish via Scrapline soaking.

TLDR: WAR loses a bit of DPS for a much higher return from allowing DRK doing more.

[Kai_Lee]

Ahhhh, warrior is broken, two pld will not parse higher then pld/war, the same with pld/drk will not parse higher then drk/war. Warriors bring storm eye and storm path plus has great defensive CDs, warriors tool kit is great for progression.

[CommanderNarwhal]

At most, dark or paladin will averagely do 100 less DPS in exchange for having better defensive cooldowns and not losing 30% of their damage for being in tank stance

[Reynhart]

not losing 30% of their damage for being in tank stance

Except PLD is the one that loses the most damage by being in tank stance.

[CommanderNarwhal]

Paladin loses 15% and a 75 potency attack after every auto-attack while warrior loses 25% and fell cleave plus the 5% from deliverance. Paladin damage is weirdly high for the amount of mitigation they have.

[shao32]

Paladin loses 15% and a 75 potency attack after every auto-attack while warrior loses 25% and fell cleave plus the 5% from deliverance. Paladin damage is weirdly high for the amount of mitigation they have.

for have a warrior on lvl 60 looks like you dont know nothing about the job, WAR have a skill name MAIM, this skill is part of you regular combos and increse all damage dealt by 20%, in defiance and maim up warrior only suffer a penalitation of -5% in the end, not a -25%, plus all skill that use wrath are not affect by the damage penalitation, paladin have a permanent -15% of damage penalitation without chance to reduce it in any way, so you argument is invalid.

read all you skills description and stop trolling, WAR is the best dps tank and have the best mitigation kit, no paladin or dark knight can match that for now.