Bleeding Ifrit again...

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Read the OP, started reading some responses. I share your concern on the design perspective. The desire to play with others at your own pace. And when other games/projects are out, attention may be diverted to those.

The thing I thought about for the Ifrit Battle was: the initial company quest is for all players to be able to enjoy and feel the sense of "I defeated Ifrit" (albeit as you said, you're trying to enjoy the cutscene and someone has finished Ifrit before the cutscene ends). Where I see the Hard/Hypermode as a design meant for the folks that would pull out all the stops to win.

It is unfortunate that the balance (animation lock included) of the classes causes archers to leave a bad impression for a fight such as this. Here is hoping that future updates will make all classes more viable in encounters such as this.

This is why I like the idea of jobs where you could level just one class and become a distinguished role without touching the other classes. Closer to the way other MMORPGs may be where you level one character and don't have to level up an alt. Which, with the current design, seems to be the player expectation, especially if either of us say we've been around for a year.

[Molly_Millions]

Just because Ifrit is beatable with Archers, does not mean Archer isn't bad. Archer is in a horrible state right now, merely a shadow of it's former glory. Most of it, along with many other undesirable circumstances with classes, is due to the transitional state the game is in between 1.19 and 1.20.

Archer has higher risk due to extensive animation lock as well as the ability to only do a fraction of the DPS of a LNC/MRD. It is undesirable.

and why do things the hard way when you can do them the easy way?

[Innes]

Not to belittle you, but if you just capped your primary class and have been playing since beta and you've been playing "Hard" all year as you claim, then you're doing it wrong.

I made friends with a newbie this week who has managed to hit 50 within 7 days, and thats not all the fast either.

Also, you should be leveling multiple jobs.

Not to belittle him? but you are... lol /face palm.
What kind of kick do you get to degrade someones hard work and progress? dont anwser that, its rhetoric.
this is FFXIV, not FFXIV-version theres only one way to play this game, and its the right way and it fits my perception.
you can solo, duo, trio, party, dance, jump, well, jump soon.
i encourage you to attempt to be more open minded.

concerning ifrit and current end game content, yes some or one particular pt setup is most effective, "most" effective. most. most?

@OP you can level up all kinds of classes you dont want to, become miserable and finally defeat ifrit with close minded ppl like Avraym. you can pray SE will adjust most to all classes to be effective in battle. or find open minded people that can find a way to implement any DD, tank or healer.

gl!

[Keith_Dragoon]

Wait for 1.20. No one should be complaining about not having high level abilities from other classes then. What will the classes even be like after the next patch? Thaumaturge especially.

There will also be some sort of seek/search feature which might make it easier to find like-minded people interested in the fight. And maybe people will be shouting in the streets, desperate for THM and ARC for the moogle fight.

HOOLIE! I miss you!

@OP I would say I feel your pain but my case was the exact opposite the day I hit 50 I was thrown into a storm of materia and gear and then dragged to the bowl of embers and forced to die at Ifrit's feet many times. This may be because I was a Lancer but I was not happy being picked over Long-time 50s who were geared and ready and had all the "required" skills that I didn't.

Aside from my 1 50 my closest job is 33 Arc and everything else was 1 (I had remade my character a week prior) so i have nothing but Lnc and a few arc abilities to live on. i did fairly well but not nearly as well as those with the proper cross class abilites. In the end I survived off of pure battle knowledge and awareness and would always be last to die or took the least dmg every fight.

[Rowyne]

Another day dawns, and we've been in the Ifrit battle, phew!

But wow, not really ready for it. Thanks to the patience of the members of the Linkshell that carried us there.

Only got dark matter of course.

Animation lock may be a nice concept for folks who believe "An archer needs time to aim", but then why is movement during this Ifrit battle so key?

Well, as we try again tomorrow night (I hope), lessons have been learnt, patterns of attack observed, more fun to be had.

Mucho thanks to LS:ALTIMA

Faz.

Yay, Faz, grats! Glad you got in. Now here's hoping you get some drops!

[XStruckX]

The MMO Attitude, ladies and gentlemen. Take notes; If you're less epic than this, you're not welcome here.

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."

I know there are communities that don't work like this, and I know there are groups of nice people and you should "find your niche" and all that - but the ratio is way too small.

Between these types of attitudes and the stigmas created by the arbitrary "challenge enhancements" (I.E. There may be options, but all but the easiest one are gimp/forbidden) -- I've decided to focus on other areas of my life, instead. I love XIV with a passion, but unless something changes in game design to balance this kind of thing, I'm pretty much done here.

That saying is pretty funny, its now in my sig hope you dont mind moose.

[Viridiana]

That saying is pretty funny, its now in my sig hope you dont mind moose.

Considering he took it from a cracked.com article, I don't think he'll mind.

Article for reference.