Thread: the "relic" and "anima" and whatever 4.0 version of it should not be powerful

To be honest after giving it some thought I don't care that much that an alternative for getting stronger weapons exists. There are 2 aspects to consider: usefulness and bragging rights.

When it comes to usefulness the user is as important as the weapon, if not more. Actually the difference in contribution when jumping from the previous weapon to a slightly better one can be marginal in comparison to player skill and knowledge and the method of acquisition can reflect that. You may have encountered people using PotD weapons and they may not have done that good, not because of weapon strength (which is fairly decent, especially for more casual content like dungeons or even NM raids) but because they got their best weapon grinding many hours in a joke of a dungeon that doesn't really represent the rest of the game so they may be still clueless about many things.

Also if you're not running difficult content to put a better weapon to use... that content can be cleared fairly easily unless you're super undergeared and/or super clueless (and even then you can get carried), so having better tools to play doesn't give you an "unfair advantage" regardless of how you got those tools. It's like who really cares.

Then there's the aspect of bragging rights or inspiring people. And this sorts on its own, getting stronger weapons by grindier means tells me different things than getting one by clearing difficult content. Grindier ones can tell me "oh, this guy sure has patience" or "sure is dedicated" or "he knew how to optimize the process" (or in the case of PotD weapons it can show a lack of actual knowledge of the game) as opposed to "this guy is good". Of course it's not all black and white, raiders may work on their anima while still on prog or while waiting to have good luck on their drops, so you don't take only the weapon into account but also the rest of their gear, which can reflect where they stand in terms of raiding. The new options to upgrading tome gear in 3.5 may make it harder to discern, but at least you can tell who's raiding and who just runs their roulettes (and there are other ways to see who is who on the raiding scene...).

(And yes, there's also the glamour factor but that kinda falls onto the bragging rights).

So the TL;DR is... having a stronger weapon BY ITSELF means nothing without the context of what that player is doing in the game.

Originally Posted by Fevelle

Are you implying they are favored by the devs or that they use some kind of hack to get world first? Because that's what it sounded like.

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No, but that's some Suspiciously Specific Denial if I've ever seen it. Freudian slip perhaps?

This thread is getting funnier and funnier.
More seriously i totally disagree with op. its so so cool to have something on the side called "relic" that is in terms of glamour different than other weapons, "equaly" powerful to raiding weapons... It is cool, it is not achievable by everyone because it is "torturous" grindy... Only the ppl ️that never tried to do it can say it is easy... Everyone that has it knows that it is a long long long ..... Long mentally difficult achievement
My opinion is SE, keep it as it is.

Originally Posted by Aquaslash

and that for those of us with actual lives

I love it when someone gets something quick they need to pull the "you have no life and i do" card. If you looked at my previous post you would know that I have a life as well. I work, I pay bills and go out with friends. So please just stop. Just because I have the skills to manage my time and do content quickly doesn't mean I have no life. Ever heard of maybe booking holidays? That's a thing you can do for work you know. Crazy I know. You should really stop making assumptions on people because if you are wrong it makes you look really silly.

So, I felt the need to share a thought. I'm a guy who both enjoys the relic and has several 275 weapons. I also have a wife, baby, job and achieved an AS12 clear with my team.

Now, the issue here is a very single minded view from everyone. Yes, the relic takes effort and thus should be rewarded with a weapon equal to that effort. Yes also, in my opinion the raid weapon should remain top tier. But, there's a compromise. What if SE allowed us to penta meld out Alex weapons? That would make them still the best but relic would also be 275 too. It's a win win for everyone really

Personally, the relic weapon should be amazing. But still 2nd best if by just a little

#lulgilgamesh