Thread: the "relic" and "anima" and whatever 4.0 version of it should not be powerful

Originally Posted by Kaedan

Far more effort is expended getting a maxed out Anima weapon than getting a maxed out Token weapon or Primal weapon. Yes, you may need to spend a few weeks practicing a fight before you finally succeed, but the Anima weapons take months.

Also, to say it's "braindead" and that you don't have to "master the game" is not really true. There's no more "mastering" of the game done getting the gobdip or primal weapon than there is getting the Anima weapon. In fact, it could be argued you do far more "mastering" of the game doing the Anima because you end up doing a mixture of activities rather than memorizing just a few fights.

Bit rich coming from a guy that hasn't cleared anything significant lol. I'm sorry to break your delusional universe but what you said is a load of crap. Go do A3S, A4S, A6S, A7S and/or A8S in appropriate ilevel and come back and tell me how long it takes to learn. (hint, each of those fights can take months)

Anima takes zero skill and zero mastery, it just takes time and willpower. You can have zero knowledge of the game beyond google, a lot of time and a lot of self loathing and you can get any relic. I've done both raids and relic and I can tell you. The relic doesn't even come close to the effort required to master a raid tier, you don't master anything by doing relic. At best, you learn how burn yourself out faster.

This "memorizing" of fights tells you me you know nothing about endgame difficult content. There is so much more involved to becoming an effective raider.

1. Mastering your class/role
2. Mastering strategy
3. Mastering people skills
4. Mastering communication
5. Mastering morale

Each of those points can take months, if not years to accomplish. Some never even begin to climb the mountain of knowledge.

Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

Go do A3S, A4S, A6S, A7S and/or A8S in appropriate ilevel and come back and tell me how long it takes to learn. (hint, each of those fights can take months)

I have. Like I said, took a few weeks of practice to memorize the fights and figure out positioning before we cleared them (I'm lucky to have a FC with competent members). Also, I think you misunderstood what I actually said. I said it takes more EFFORT to finish an Anima than to clear Savage, which is true if you have a decent group of people that you play with.

Savage takes zero skill and zero mastery, it just takes time and willpower. You can have zero knowledge of the game beyond google, a lot of time and a lot of self loathing and you can get any Savage clear. I've done both raids and relic and I can tell you. You don't master anything by doing Savage. At best, you learn how burn yourself out faster.

There, fixed that for you with just as much hyperbole as your original statement.

This "memorizing" of fights tells you me you know nothing about endgame difficult content.

The fact you think it takes more than memorization means you are attributing something that doesn't exist to Savage. There are two components to "mastering" difficult content:

1) Memorization (this includes timing)
2) Positioning


Once you have memorized the fight and memorized the timing and determined your positioning, that's all you need. Of course, you need to be able to trust your party members that they have done the proper memorization as well, but trusting other people doesn't take any "skill" or "mastery".

Of course Savage takes time and effort to accomplish, but you're making it out to be far more than what it is. Anima takes more time and effort, you just don't have to rely on other people to know what they are doing in order to complete it.