Thread: the "relic" and "anima" and whatever 4.0 version of it should not be powerful

Originally Posted by Remus

People keep saying relic is time consuming but it's really not. ARR relic was time consuming, HW relic was hardly time consuming. I work from 8am till 4pm and anytime I finish the stuff I need to do(work related) I work on my relic and not waste time AFK in idyllshire and I was done in like 3 days. Such time investment much wow. SE hands stuff out way too easily in this game and you wonder why this game has no longevity to it.

You're lying if you say that you can complete the entire anima from 170-270 in a few days.

210 pre nerf and 240 both took excessive periods of time to deal with, and that's not counting the original 170 step if you didn't finish the ARR relic.

Originally Posted by Rennies

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I was talking about the last step. My point still stands that this relic hasn't been as time consuming compared to ARR. People only think it's time consuming because they look at what they need to do and wait for nerfs. Instead of doing nothing in the game work on the relic you will realise how quick it can be done casually. If you keep up to date with the relic it's not that bad. If you start a brand new one of course there will be a giant wall in front of you to climb before you become current. Also people used certain strats for the relic but once people move on those parties become smaller and no one does it. That's when the relic becomes hard due to people moving onto the next step.

Originally Posted by Aquaslash

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I finished each step of the relic on release so I didn't do any step when it got nerfed so please don't act as if I didn't do it thanks. I honestly still believe people are blowing it out of proportions and it wasn't that bad like ARR. I spammed ARF but I also spammed Antitower when I got bored of that place. I finished the ARR relic as well by the way before any step got nerfed so I believe I am in a position to compare them both from my experience. All I will say is people don't use their time very well so it seems like it is longer than it really is. People who continue to complain and complain for a relic nerf could use that time to be doing the relic and you would be surprised how quick it can be done if you work on just that and stomach through it. The whole point of the relic is grind for a good weapon so of course its going to feel annoying and tedious that's the whole point of it, but with that you will eventually get the weapon as strong or even stronger when it reaches 275 then raid weapons.

Originally Posted by Remus

I finished each step of the relic on release so I didn't do any step when it got nerfed so please don't act as if I didn't do it thanks. I honestly still believe people are blowing it out of proportions and it wasn't that bad like ARR. I spammed ARF but I also spammed Antitower when I got bored of that place. I finished the ARR relic as well by the way before any step got nerfed so I believe I am in a position to compare them both from my experience. All I will say is people don't use their time very well so it seems like it is longer than it really is. People who continue to complain and complain for a relic nerf could use that time to be doing the relic and you would be surprised how quick it can be done if you work on just that and stomach through it. The whole point of the relic is grind for a good weapon so of course its going to feel annoying and tedious that's the whole point of it, but with that you will eventually get the weapon as strong or even stronger when it reaches 275 then raid weapons.

Well I guess if you're a total NEET who spends every waking hour on the game, then the steps will seem quick. Do realize that you are a minority, and that for those of us with actual lives, the literal requirement of tens of thousands of tomestones is a serious time sink. That's what it was meant to be, and that's fine. I'm not part of the crowd asking for nerfs.

Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

You literally do nothing of skill to achieve exactly what those who bust their ass actually learning and mastering the game achieve.

While I'm here, I'll go on and say that the only hard part of raiding is finding seven competent people who can fit your schedule. At least this is the case for Alexander, and especially creator. Aether seems to think Zurvan is harder since they shit the bed when you so much as say the word "Soar"

Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

This "memorizing" of fights tells you me you know nothing about endgame difficult content. There is so much more involved to becoming an effective raider.

1. Mastering your class/role
2. Mastering strategy
3. Mastering people skills
4. Mastering communication
5. Mastering morale

Each of those points can take months, if not years to accomplish. Some never even begin to climb the mountain of knowledge.

If it takes you years to master ANY of those in the context of beating a video game boss, you need to end your sub, uninstall the game, and sell your playing device, in that order. You're quite literally wasting your life on a god damned video game.

Originally Posted by Aquaslash

Those guys are..."special" and I'll leave it at that

Are you implying they are favored by the devs or that they use some kind of hack to get world first? Because that's what it sounded like.

Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

Anima takes zero skill and zero mastery, it just takes time and willpower.

That's the idea. You have three options right now: learn hard battles and kill the strongest bosses to get a weapon; burn your time and resources through a gated quest chain to get a powerful weapon; wait for the catch up patches to upgrade your tomestone weapon to a similar power to that of relics.