Thread: the "relic" and "anima" and whatever 4.0 version of it should not be powerful

Or...they should still be as powerful as they are...but actually require skills to do, even if it's not raiding skills.
Considering that Eureka is probably where we'll get the new relics, and that it might be not a walk in the park to wander there, my hopes are for that solution.

After all, people who want the really easy way will still have the upgraded tome weapon to "brag" upon their ilvl, right ?

Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

Jealous isn't the right word. More like, I am annoyed that braindead grinds are given the same merit and achievement as mastering the game when it is clearly not the same thing.

I can understand it but you'll have to think that the anima weapon is not an Alexander weapon. They are still two different weapons and people shine the A12S weapons in a different light. The game doesn't work if they only give things to the tiny player base that clears the hardest content, it has to be accessible.
It's more of a time thing, they want the relic players to keep playing their game for many many hours, as a result the reward must be desirable and a glamour would not have the same effect.

You could argue that you don't need to do savage Alex to upgrade shire gear anymore, it's just what happens :/ there'll be something new for raiders to get, then the rest of the players can get it much easier

Originally Posted by CamomileTea

I can understand it but you'll have to think that the anima weapon is not an Alexander weapon. They are still two different weapons and people shine the A12S weapons in a different light. The game doesn't work if they only give things to the tiny player base that clears the hardest content, it has to be accessible.
It's more of a time thing, they want the relic players to keep playing their game for many many hours, as a result the reward must be desirable and a glamour would not have the same effect.

You could argue that you don't need to do savage Alex to upgrade shire gear anymore, it's just what happens :/ there'll be something new for raiders to get, then the rest of the players can get it much easier

Thats not even the issue, the problem is that the relic is and will be superior to the raiding weapon. That basically means theres not much point grinding out the raiding weapon lol.

Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

Thats not even the issue, the problem is that the relic is and will be superior to the raiding weapon. That basically means theres not much point grinding out the raiding weapon lol.

That's an issue with the garbage stats SE ends up with when they dice roll each piece of equipment.

The 275 Alexander weapons have been in the game since 3.4. Back then, most "casuals" were locked into getting only the 260 relic or the base 260 Shire weapon after 7 weeks of farming A12. Those who successfully finished A12S could obtain a 275 weapon, and they were able to be top dogs for several months and have the other bonuses rewarded for beating Savage. But this is an online game and there needs be progression. The Alexander weapons are still the most powerful weapons in the game DMG-wise and they will continue to be until ~3.55. And then a few months later everything will go back to square one and we'll all be level jack at the start of Stormblood, and the process will begin anew.

If people want these misguided senses of superiority, they're gonna have to repeatedly earn it because the game needs to progress. I'm fine with people holding the strongest weapons in the game for doing the hardest content, but don't act like your momentary hard work is clearance to hold everyone else back for not submitting to the same idea of fun you cater to.

Originally Posted by TheGrimace

The 275 Alexander weapons have been in the game since 3.4. Back then, most "casuals" were locked into getting only the 260 relic or the base 260 Shire weapon after 7 weeks of farming A12. Those who successfully finished A12S could obtain a 275 .

Lol honestly, FFXIV is the only game that rewards you for doing jack shit. I cannot really think of any other title that ensures that the welfare people are within spitting distance of players who are dedicated. You beat the hardest content, you get the best gear.....except it isn't the best gear. Doesn't this sound wrong?

There really isn't much point to putting up with endgame content unless you enjoy the company of others. The progression is the same, everyone becomes the same or similar in the end. You play to progress the power of your character, everything boils down to this. Why bother with exponential effort for something that becomes easier later?

Originally Posted by CookieMonsta

Lol honestly, FFXIV is the only game that rewards you for doing jack shit. I cannot really think of any other title that ensures that the welfare people are within spitting distance of players who are dedicated. You beat the hardest content, you get the best gear.....except it isn't the best gear. Doesn't this sound wrong?

There really isn't much point to putting up with endgame content unless you enjoy the company of others. The progression is the same, everyone becomes the same or similar in the end. You play to progress the power of your character, everything boils down to this. Why bother with exponential effort for something that becomes easier later?

I mean this was the case in 2.0, and we already knew this was the case in 3.0 since gordias.

So now knowing this, are you going to keep raiding?

It's an alternative weapon pathway for those who don't do hardcore Raiding and want to save their Tomes for other gear. Some may care about having BiS but that isn't the point of the Relic weapons.