The Red Mage Video Analysis and Theorycrafting thread.

[Vexander]

The Lore analysis hasn't included the Sharlayan Theory.

Essentially, given that Sharlayan has been characterized as the most advanced magical nation in Eorzea to the point the Garleans knew to fear them (Minfilia's words), and that we've seen examples of both Mhachi and Amdapori disciplines at work in the Sharlayan ruins (bound voidsent guardians in the Great Gubal Library, for example), as well as feats of magic from Sharlayan characters which broaches these fields (Y'shtola using a very White Magic looking spell fighting off Goblins in the Maker's Quarter during the MSQ), there is enough evidence to speculate that Sharlayan either discovered and revived the old arts of White and Black Magic in secret, or that Sharlayan was founded by White and Black Mages who survived the War of the Magi. A popular theory on that note is that the nation was founded by dissidents who fled the continent to study magic in peace, together, and that this is why Sharlayan is very set on not interfering in the course of history, but instead chronicling it.

The Red Mage outfit also bears strong resemblance to Sharlayan styles and themes, if you compare it to the dungeon gear from the Great Gubal Library, Shire Gear from Idyllshire, and the newer outfits of the Archons like Y'shtola, Alphinaud, and Alisae. The Magicked Crystal Medium will be the second weapon in the series that has a floating component, with the other weapon belonging to Astrologians, who also hail from Sharlayan.

A lot of players have also drawn parallels between Alisae's combat style and powers in 3.4 and similarities to Red Mage.

[GMERC]

A lot of players have also drawn parallels between Alisae's combat style and powers in 3.4 and similarities to Red Mage.

A lot of players (including yourself) are grasping at straws, which is nothing new. Alisaie has nothing to do with Red Mage.

[Vexander]

A lot of players (including yourself) are grasping at straws, which is nothing new. Alisaie has nothing to do with Red Mage.

A lot of players, including myself, would love to hear -YOUR- grand, 100% correct, factual, and unbiased view on what job best fits Alisae, given the use of magic with a sword as a weapon, no shield, and only one job using that combination at this time (RDM). Please do enlighten us pitiable fools who are so easily deluded by not sharing in your monumental intellect. Please do sprinkle your wisdom upon our ignorance, that we may attain the level of understanding only YOU, and YOU alone, have embraced.

Or I suppose you could quite being a passive-aggressive troll and actually contribute to threads you post in besides calling people wrong in a condescending manner, without any substance to your point of view.

[GMERC]

A lot of players, including myself, would love to hear -YOUR- grand, 100% correct, factual, and unbiased view on what job best fits Alisae, given the use of magic with a sword as a weapon, no shield, and only one job using that combination at this time (RDM). Please do enlighten us pitiable fools who are so easily deluded by not sharing in your monumental intellect. Please do sprinkle your wisdom upon our ignorance, that we may attain the level of understanding only YOU, and YOU alone, have embraced.

Or I suppose you could quite being a passive-aggressive troll and actually contribute to threads you post in besides calling people wrong in a condescending manner, without any substance to your point of view.

Projecting much?


All I'm getting at is that Alisaie summons this sword from a book (only it's pink and glowing) and fights as a Paladin without a shield, not as a Spellcaster. Literally nothing she did had anything to do with the Red Mage we very clearly saw in action. Some folks are just way way way too fixated on "Sword + vague magical theming MUST = RED MAGE!!!"

As a reminder, I seem to recall folks swearing up and down back in Before the Fall that Ilberd MUST be a Red Mage / Mystic Knight just because he used Enfire in a cutscene. Don't forget the even sillier ones thinking Raubahn was going to have something to do with Dark Knight, either.

[Vexander]

Thancred used to fight with a dagger, no shield, as a Gladiator. Then they added Rogue and suddenly he's dual-wielding daggers and performing feats of acrobatics we had not seen prior to that. Alisae was introduced to us as an Arcanist, holding a book much like her brother does. Then she summons a sword and starts combining swordsmanship with magic. Somehow you seem to think this constitutes a leap of logic. It's called, 'Speculation,' and, 'Deductive Reasoning.' Even the twins make note that while Alphinaud is a back-line combatant Alisae prefers to get up close and personal with her foes, not unlike how we've seen Red Mages will close gaps to make melee strikes.

But like I said, please do enlighten us as to which job you think Alisae is. I'd love to hear your reasoning.

[Reinha]

Palace of the Dead weapon for Red Mage? Please Yoshi-P, it's a nice color.

[GMERC]

Palace of the Dead weapon for Red Mage? Please Yoshi-P, it's a nice color.

As previously stated, that is a Gladiator sword, available to Twin Adder members. Additionally, even if they were to recycle that as a model for a RDM weapon (which they can't), Palace of the Dead Weaponry does not have textures, so it wouldn't look the same anyway.

Thancred used to fight with a dagger, no shield, as a Gladiator. Then they added Rogue and suddenly he's dual-wielding daggers and performing feats of acrobatics we had not seen prior to that. Alisae was introduced to us as an Arcanist, holding a book much like her brother does. Then she summons a sword and starts combining swordsmanship with magic. Somehow you seem to think this constitutes a leap of logic. It's called, 'Speculation,' and, 'Deductive Reasoning.' Even the twins make note that while Alphinaud is a back-line combatant Alisae prefers to get up close and personal with her foes, not unlike how we've seen Red Mages will close gaps to make melee strikes.

But like I said, please do enlighten us as to which job you think Alisae is. I'd love to hear your reasoning.

NPC characters, especially the more unique ones, have always played extremely fast and loose with the class / job system. You know this. I suppose I should next ask you to tell me which job Raubahn is.

I'll humor you even though these are different situations entirely, though. Thancred changed to rogue in a very clear, obvious call out to Ninja. He also employed Ninja animations and abilities, neither of which Alisaie did-- despite in so many silly eyes being the "hint" to Red Mage they believe parallels Thancred. The idea that Alisaie being a close quarters fighter is somehow part of this tie to RDM is also pretty misguided, now that we know Red Mage is in fact a spellcaster that fights predominately from range, only entering melee range for short bursts.

[Vexander]

The idea that Alisaie being a close quarters fighter is somehow part of this tie to RDM is also pretty misguided, now that we know Red Mage is in fact a spellcaster that fights predominately from range, only entering melee range for short bursts.

Because all of the Red Mage skills are not only done, been added to the live servers, and are ready to go, but SE would also like to spoiler them by having an NPC use them before the PC gets a chance to even try them out? I mean, its not like Yugiri wasn't popping out Ninjitsu every other second. Oh, wait...

[ErikMynhier]

... even if they were to recycle that as a model for a RDM weapon (which they can't)...

Why can't they? Isn't that exactly what was done for several DRK weapons when they first came out? Just resized PLD weapons?

[GMERC]

Why can't they? Isn't that exactly what was done for several DRK weapons when they first came out? Just resized PLD weapons?

Hint: RDM Weapons come in two pieces.