Please stop with achievements that rely on others skills

[Fonkyama]

Having achievements that makes me rely on others is making me hate everyone lately. I enjoy pvp in this game, however please stop putting rewards locked behind conditions we (almost) do not have any control upon.

Frontline feels like a lucky roulette. You either get people that will respect the rules, listen to people that try to lead, and maybe you'll win, or you can get people that will do the exact opposite despite all your effort to try and lead or point mistakes.

And you get punished for that. There's nothing you can do about it.

What's worse, ending 2nd doesn't get you anything. Sure you get some extra marks, but what's the point with the recent buff? If you're aiming for mounts you'll end up with more marks than you can spend anyway. Once you know you won't end up 1st, there's no reason to try anymore. You've just lost time.

Anyway, I have about 1010 games played, 550 wins, got the 3 garo mounts, etc. So I'm not whining about having to put efforts into things, I'm just tired of having to rely on people that do not care/won't listen to grind things. So please try to think of different kind of achievements in the future. You'd think that "winning" would be enough to have people actually try, but it's not.

[Aerish]

Put achievment on Kill participation

[Greydor]

Timed horses (or timed anything) should have NEVER been put behind PvP.

[Culfinrandir]

Achievements have no purpose in this game, unless they are ones that contain a reward. PVP has been fully revitalised & renewed by the Garo event to the extent that it shows the developers & media that there is a player base who will PVP for incentives. As a result there's likely to be more time & money spent on future PVP within FFXIV. A regular PVPer should be glad that it has been a success, rather than bitter it is no longer their special play group.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

If PvPers are bitter, it's hardly about the Garo event.

The only things we're likely bitter about is the Feast chat removal and the fiasco it's caused, and uncooperative new players. Nothing's wrong with being new, but when you're "just here for Garo" and don't want to learn anything besides the bare minimum that will get you your wolf marks/tomes for what you want, or don't listen and cooperate, that bothers people rather quickly. It causes losses, and that only sets everyone back from those achievements.

Speaking of, the Garo event is set to continue into the release of Stormblood, so that's plenty of time to work at it. It doesn't have to happen right away, and the bar is set rather reasonably for the achievements. Don't stress it too much, and instead play as best as you can, and offer help and advice to those you see who might need it.

[bounddreamer]

There are tons of achievements in this game that rely on others' skill in cooperation with your own. It's an MMO.

If this is a complaint about the Garo event bringing in new players who are unskilled or maybe even unwilling to do pvp, maybe consider the bright side? Pvp queues are nearly instant. It's also forcing players to play quite a bit in order to get their mounts, and some of us who only did pve before are getting a taste for it.

[RoseOfTheRaven]

All the OP is saying is that we shouldn't be forced to have to do things for an achievement that relies on how well others play. It'd be one thing if you could go into frontlines and as long as you yourself scored a certain point ratio you got the reward..but as is, no matter how good you are if your team is bad there's nothing you can do. Plus you can just get unlucky and lose match after match after match. And as another said, waste time.

[Moonlite]

All the OP is saying is that we shouldn't be forced to have to do things for an achievement that relies on how well others play. It'd be one thing if you could go into frontlines and as long as you yourself scored a certain point ratio you got the reward..but as is, no matter how good you are if your team is bad there's nothing you can do. Plus you can just get unlucky and lose match after match after match. And as another said, waste time.

But how is this different from raids and trials. You can't control other peoples skill. A thread always pops up of hours wasted with groups and nothing to show for it.

[Andriel]

But how is this different from raids and trials. You can't control other peoples skill. A thread always pops up of hours wasted with groups and nothing to show for it.

Memorizing scripted encounters has hardly anything to do with 'skill'. Zero brain required, fits the targeted WoW demographic perfectly.

[RoseOfTheRaven]

because raids are generally not for achievement required items..that are time limited. thats how.