Isn't it a bit disheartening whats on the Horizon to all Hw content?

[dragonseth07]

Older trials do make you better at newer ones because those older trials are an introduction of things to come in the future.

That's fair. I'll concede that older content does help prepare for newer content. I wouldn't say it's a huge help, but it does help some.

[Welsper59]

You aren't helping your objectivity by staying in your safe zone and avoiding counter viewpoints.

If your beliefs are based in sound logic, you will have an argument to work with.

While true to an extent, logic is easily found even in your safe zone lol. Avoiding topics that will, without a doubt, be riddled with stupidity, is not illogical. The only way it would be, is if you're hoping to be met with said stupidity but refuse to open those topics. That would be pretty damn illogical. Hell, this thread is pretty damn illogical at its core, thanks in part to people who view things the way the OP does and takes it as an absolute truth (where the argument is unnecessary and/or ignores real facts). We can't help our curiosity sometimes lol.

[Welsper59]

As I stated you have replied to things ive said a few times but have said nothiing about what I actually want or Im asking SE for. I am asking for just like we have a normal mood trial roulette, once storm blood comes out to put all the arr and hw primals in a roulette but it be the extreme versions. And no it is not fun, unsync is just a means to an end that has been passed down from vet players to new players, the whole bases of your argument is that you as a vet player wouldnt want to do these primals because they are old.

And I have stated many times when I go into duty finder its vet players that leave because they dont want to deal with new players in these primals, I have never and I que for one at least once a week seen a new player leave an extreme trail its always the older players that leave or the mentors. I dont even think Ive seen a new player leave a dungeon that have the nn leaf on their head it is always the vet players are mentors that leave. So dont claim this is a minority , like I said it isnt even until said new players are introduced to the concept of unsync that players determine that this is the norm. Players that dont no about it just que up just like its any other instance in the game, Ive been in several parties where new players didnt even knwo about unsync.

A lot of players play this game for the story, or just to try a different mmo I dont believe that everyone comes here with the intentions of skipping over everything in the game. So I know older players are jaded from this content I know some have ran it into the group but alot havent and I think that a roulette with some of the best rewards in the game would work alot better than wt. I did all the coil unsync myself and the only thing I got out of that was to see the cut scenes it was 0 fun it was lame we killed everything in like 2 mins and I wasnt even level 60 atm. All Im asking for is the option outside of pf, to get others involved and I dont see how that is a big deal to you because Im not even agaisnt unsync content but Im not gona call it fun outside of soloing something yourself but if you even have two other peoople its pretty boring.


And to your comment to Vivi_Bushido , you just said things were alot more complex in hw well guess what the players coming to storm blood will miss out on that as well and thats exactly what Im sayin is gona be a problem.

I think you're interpreting my words wrong when you read them. For example, the minority comments I make are referring to the new players that care (a lot) about doing content in the intended way and do not want to simply get a clear. I am not referring to the minority being vet players, vets that leave the party, or my indirect referral to new players that just want a clear. They are clearly the majority. If you don't agree with me on that one, then I don't think anything logical will sway you to see it correctly. I'm going go glass half-full here and assume you do agree with something so obvious.

I totally agree with you about many players wanting to play for story, try a new MMO, etc. I also agree that there are players that leave groups and could not be bothered in the slightest to help a new player out or cut them a break. I also agree that being carried and powered through content, if the goal of said player is to experience content as is (again, not to simply clear it), is boring.

Here's where your argument breaks though, and where I cannot bring myself to logically agree with you on your key points and reasoning. You said that you did Coil and powered through it, thus it was not fun. Why did you do it in that way? You only have yourself to blame for not enjoying how it unfolded, when you're clearly trying to imply you wanted to experience it as intended but apparently did it unsync'd with people who did not know what you wanted... or cared. How is your failure justification to look down upon something that is clearly popular, appreciated, and utilized as intended by everyone else? Why didn't you try to get a group together to do it the way you wanted (sync and any other handicaps)?

I get that you're asking for a better means to do something as intended, but to be honest, that's a waste of time for the devs and only serves to further frustrate players in the way you're implying, both new and old. PF (especially with x-server functionality) is probably the most enjoyable way to do things at such a handicap. If you're truly asking for another DF that is outside of things like Mentor roulette (which it probably would have to be), you're just asking for another mode for said new players to encounter the same d-bags that leave group all the time. How does what you want provide a different experience that eludes the problems you refer to now? PF is literally the best way to create a frustration free experience. You're asking for a tool to get the job done for you (them, whatever). A very unpopular job, at that. You're trying to defend laziness and stifle initiative against what is a popularly accepted means of doing things. I get the enjoyment out of challenge and doing things as intended. I truly do, as I do it myself. But you're treating the situation as though it is hopeless because you have no tools available to you. The fact is.. you do. You're holding their hands through something you don't need to.

Generally, I try to remark upon points people make. If there are key ones you think I missed, then feel free to ask. I'd wager you won't like my response though. I am, however, not above agreeing with logical responses on things. That's usually what my problem is with an argument or point that someone has. The detachment from logic and/or facts, depending on what the point is, is where I will point out problems. Unfortunately, people don't see that as the response they wanted or misinterpret it as a misunderstanding.

[RaijinSupreme]

You aren't helping your objectivity by staying in your safe zone and avoiding counter viewpoints.

If your beliefs are based in sound logic, you will have an argument to work with.

For one, The reason why I don't read those kinds of posts is because I don't need to expose myself to that kind of negativity. Those posts are riddled with "git gud" mantras by those who do absolutely nothing but play this game and other games day in and day out. They feel a sense of superiority that gives them this self-claimed right to judge how others are in this game. I used to read those kinds of posts, and now I don't.

Secondly, I don't need to have an argument for every single thing someone posts on here. The mindset of the elite trash is not one that's hard to understand.
So I'm not gonna exit my "safe zone" and read those kinds of posts just so I can formulate an argument against it. I'm not on here to be objective. I see things how I see them and respond accordingly. Every thought I ever transcribe is subjective and is based on my personal experiences, as well as factual data that is publicly known. I'm not on here arguing just to argue. That's silly. I comment on posts and respond to certain people about topics I'm passionate about, and with people that can comprehend what I'm saying, and vice versa. Who, even in the end, is willing to agree to disagree if we cannot come to a solid agreement.

So no, I don't, and I won't read those kinds of posts. There's no merit in it for me. I don't need to prove my "objectivity" to anyone.