I just got kicked from Ex Roulette

[Mimilu]

Actually, kicking someone for differences in playstyle is considered valid, even if there isn't an option for it:

[TiramisuMacaron]

I got kicked because my team didn't want me to dps as a healer once. They told me to stop so I did, this ended in selene just healing them until they kicked me. To be fair I was taking hate, but honestly it was easier to heal myself. The tank cheated his way in with a full right side of dex accessories and a full left side of gear that was 20-40 item levels under the content.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

There's no way you can justify kicking someone from a dungeon - easy as they are - simply for being a particular job.

Or are we all just going to pick and play what's "the best" for that given instance from now on?

[Enlial]

This thread is toxic. Please ban chat from the forums.

[SuperZay]

People should trust their healer.
If he asks to pull more to make the dungeon faster for everyone then a tank should pull more and his death will be only on healer (insecure of their abilities healers will never ask for this).
If a healer says it'll be fine without Protect then it'll be only his responsibility if he'll fail at keeping unprotected players alive.

Tank refusing to pull without protect is like a healer who is throwing tantrums about suboptimal dps and refusing to heal. Just let people do their job.

[Jas710]

1. Know your role, what's expected of you, and do it.
2. Unless the group ends up wiping from flubbing a fight or is asking for tips, don't bother offering "free advice".
3. Don't hesitate to drop group. Yes the 30 minute penalty is complete bullshit that should never have been implemented, but you'll enjoy life more getting matched later with a more compatible group. If you encounter the same issue again, then it's time you look in the mirror and consider the possibility that YOU might be the problem.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Naming and shaming players has its downsides, of course, and while some deserve it, most would not. We unfortunately can't vote kick in the Feast, but plenty of people have used the reporting system, and plenty of punishments have been dished out for it. On the opposite side of that, many players simply didn't let what happens in the arena bother them that much. We ARE all adults, most of us. It doesn't excuse bad behavior one bit, and many of us have suggested that using this chat feature as a light punishment (instead of a temp ban or the like) would be more than adequate. But with nothing from SE, we're left to believe that to fix the few issues of harrassment or players being nasty toward each other, they've silenced everyone.

Imagine a few people speed/weave through traffic, but everyone gets a ticket or cars become restricted. . . That sounds fair, right?

That is exactly what this is.

[Moonlite]

Naming and shaming players has its downsides, of course, and while some deserve it, most would not.

Imagine a few people speed/weave through traffic, but everyone gets a ticket or cars become restricted. . . That sounds fair, right?

That is exactly what this is.

Why would someone not deserve to be punished? One outburst is still an outburst.

Actually that is exactly what happens here. They occasionally set up check stops on roads that they feel people aren't driving within the rules to slow the traffic down. Not to just pick on the traffic example. I am sure people could come up with a lot of scenarios where governments don't trust people to behave and create rules and enforcement to stop them.

[Ama_Hamada]

Why would someone not deserve to be punished? One outburst is still an outburst.

Actually that is exactly what happens here. They occasionally set up check stops on roads that they feel people aren't driving within the rules to slow the traffic down. Not to just pick on the traffic example. I am sure people could come up with a lot of scenarios where governments don't trust people to behave and create rules and enforcement to stop them.

They do not stop you driving completely, this would be like saying no one is allowed to have cars because too many broken laws, ban cars completely because people being ran over increased.

I take it back, it would be like giving cars to people with no drivers ed or tests, giving cars to people at some predetermined age like 18, drive, then when they get in a car accident they are banned from driving for life, that is how SE acts with pvp. There is no in game tips, there is no training, and you wonder why there may be some toxicity between new and old? I still had more issues in common DF though but SE is completely at fault for the PvP toxicity. They give no tools for people to learn in game.

[Ama_Hamada]

People who say " it is a healers job to cast protect" are wrong, it is a CNR/WHMs job to cast it, not an AST or SCH since it is a cross-class skill that you don't necessarily have to take. What if I, as an AST, want to take aero instead of Protect, you don't pay my subscription so you can't tell me how to play my game.

My first cross class is cleric but we are talking about expert (going by the title of thread anyway), not sub 30 places.

If it is sub 30, yes you are correct. However if it seems people are not rushing ill ask if they wait a minute for me to cast it to change it out, at 4.0 however, my guess is this issue will not exist anymore. Still off the main point though, lol :

They do not stop you driving completely, this would be like saying no one is allowed to have cars because too many broken laws, ban cars completely because people being ran over increased.

I take it back, it would be like giving cars to people with no drivers ed or tests, giving cars to people at some predetermined age like 18, drive, then when they get in a car accident they are banned from driving for life, that is how SE acts with pvp. There is no in game tips, there is no training, and you wonder why there may be some toxicity between new and old? I still had more issues in common DF though but SE is completely at fault for the PvP toxicity. They give no tools for people to learn in game.

Sure, keep the petulant child arguments going when you're lacking real ones.

Can we just let this thread die now? It's enough of a waste of space as it is, not to mention counterproductive - this is not the way to show SE that they made the wrong call; the same goes for creating XX threads on the matter. Instead, everyone should get their butts into the Fan Fest live questions thread and give some more likes to Tiramisu's post, maybe they won't be able to ignore it when it has 5 times as many likes as any other question in there.

You are right, I made this as a reply to your post:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...also-other-PvP
With that it should be easy to find, along with some other PvP related issues