I just got kicked from Ex Roulette

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

It pains me that it seems like people are missing the obvious satire here.

However he makes a point we've also brought up earlier: players being nasty toward each other happens outside of PvP content as well. Trials, dungeons, even guildhests; players have a history of being quite inflexible and quick to anger when things deviate from the norm. I ask then, why has disabling chat never been a tabled solution for this?

It's a double standard. Can't be angry or voice it in PvP (and to be fair, we're all adults. If you're THAT angry, take a moment and a deep breath, then think carefully about what you want to say), but it's fair game to mouth off to someone in PvE content. Ask yourselves how this is fair and really think about it for a moment.

[Zojha]

[...] why has disabling chat never been a tabled solution for this?

Because issues don't happen even remotely as often?

I mean, you can still talk freely in Frontline as well - that's PvP too, isn't it? Ask yourself, why hasn't it been disabled there? Maybe possibly because issues don't arise as often there either? And truly, we've gone several years without a chat restriction - most likely because the issue hasn't been so bad that drastic measures would have to be considered all that time either.

Once you acknowledge the fact that Feast has a disproportional amount of negative behavior, the supposed double standard simply becomes a matter of scale. And I'm still pretty sure it's only Ranked Solo Queue that's an issue and all the other modes - 8vs8, Light Party and Fold - are collateral damage due to "limitations".

So yes, the point has already been raised - it's also already been countered.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

It pains me that it seems like people are missing the obvious satire here.

However he makes a point we've also brought up earlier: players being nasty toward each other happens outside of PvP content as well.

Oh sorry he was trying to prove a point by creating a fake argument and calling someone a s**thead.

All this shows is SE made the right decision due to silly children like this guy. If I wanted to prove how chat was necessary in PvP then I would of took a screenshot of me helping someone learn strategies in PvE and said wish I could do the same in PvP.

[Moonlite]

It pains me that it seems like people are missing the obvious satire here.

However he makes a point we've also brought up earlier: players being nasty toward each other happens outside of PvP content as well.

The player tools to police themselves in PvE content are easier to use. A simple discussion or a vote kick is much easier to use. How would players police themselves during a match in PvP? Shall the devs put a pause button if someone activates a vote kick on any team?

I would prefer that general forums had a sticky and a player and all the alts they play be posted and shamed for bad behavior. A title (unchangeable) explaining why someone in such a short period of time could not handle basic human decency. This is more desirable for me then removing chat. But I don't see this happening.

[NargaHuntress]

I understand you'r frustration. but i do believe this is totally not way to be doing it. i mean you, yourself said to flood the forums with threads asking to undo the current chat restrictions. i imagined something way better then this. slightly disappointed. but then again why was i expecting anything else. to much faith Olly to much.

[NargaHuntress]

It pains me that it seems like people are missing the obvious satire here.

everyone knows these people cant its why its bad to even do this. your going to get backlash. and then people just look down on your cuase. this is not the time to do this.

[Zyphione]

Thread needs to be moved into Dungeons - there, everyone can discuss the best way to tackle Satasha whilst having the highest efficiency with minimal DPS loss.

[DWARF_INTENSIFIES]

why are people talking about low-level content? the title clearly says he's in ex roulette.

[aeoncs]

As a healer you're damn well supposed to cast Protect, doesn't matter how useful/useless you think it is. If you forget to cast it, that's fine, but behaving like a brat and purposefully not casting it is just some next-level sh*t; really makes me question the sanity of everyone defending that. How is this even a discussion? Pretty sad when something like this originates from the leader of the most-well known PvP FC on my data center.
Besides, if you seriously think that hardcasting or swiftcasting Protect is a DPS loss that actually matters, you're delusional.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Personal situation aside, let's look at the big picture: Players got into a nasty exchange in PvE content. Not hardly the first time, and guaranteed not to be the last. Remember Brayflox HM speed runs? Remember the topic about a guy getting kicked purely because he was a DRG? I remember it well. He didn't say or do anything bad. Just instant kick. But that's okay right? How about all the instances of "don't tell me how to play my job/you don't pay my sub/just shut up and go"? Cause I can safely say I've never run into THAT mentality in PvP, thankfully.

Let's call it like it is: PvP has a negative stigma that many players simply adopt because others do, and without just cause. "Oh I don't PvP [in FFXIV] because of [my experiences in another game that are only relevant to that game]." Most see no harm in chat being disabled for PvP, but don't kid yourselves, if this was done to PvE content, players would riot. Why then is it okay here and not there? Because you WANT to dislike PvP. Because you want to believe it was some saving grace to a mode that's so "toxic" whether you've tried it or not. It goes both ways. How about tome farmers throwing matches during the Aether Oil step for the new relic? How about the "Oh I'm just here for Garo, I don't care to actually learn" types? How about the guy who openly said here, "Have fun carrying me, cause I don't care if I win or lose"?

Is this behavior okay in PvE content? "Have fun carrying me through Zurvan Ex. I don't care to learn it, I'm just here for the loot/clear." More importantly, if SE dished out a terrible fix for the problem like restricting chat or not allowing players without clears to join a party who has, would that be okay? Really, ask yourself if that would be a good answer. If no, then why is a blanket fix for a problem that is actually minor among the PvP community such an okay thing?