The problem with The Feast chat, let's solve the problem from the roots.

[Ageofwar]

As someone who has picked up PvP 2 days ago I have been deliberately only registering for the unrated Feast (which pop's the fastest) and Frontlines to try my hardest to avoid any toxically with PvP since all I want is Wolf marks and I will say that once I have 1800 more wolf marks I will not touch PvP again. At the moment PvP is being held up by the GARO event once that is passed PvP will die to the point of 30 min queues.

in short it due to the toxically of the community Vs the rewards is just not enough for me to do PvP on a regular basis

[ChocoFeru]

As someone who has picked up PvP 2 days ago I have been deliberately only registering for the unrated Feast (which pop's the fastest) and Frontlines to try my hardest to avoid any toxically with PvP since all I want is Wolf marks and I will say that once I have 1800 more wolf marks I will not touch PvP again. At the moment PvP is being held up by the GARO event once that is passed PvP will die to the point of 30 min queues.

in short it due to the toxically of the community Vs the rewards is just not enough for me to do PvP on a regular basis

The real problem is in The Feast rated anyways. Frontlines aren't censores, and I don't understand qhy 8v8 unrated is censored, too, but it must be uncensored asap.

[Ageofwar]

The real problem is in The Feast rated anyways.

That would not suprisse me and one reason I have stayed out of rated feast

I will say I have found the unrated feast quite friendly but this might be that no ones ego's are involved in unrated feast

[ChocoFeru]

That would not suprisse me and one reason I have stayed out of rated feast

I will say I have found the unrated feast quite friendly but this might be that no ones ego's are involved in unrated feast

The thing is that when rating is onvolved, you actually lose something, and that's why we need comunication, because new players are queuing in unexperienced, and there's no way to tell them the basics.

It's really frustrating.

[Ageofwar]

The thing is that when rating is onvolved, you actually lose something, and that's why we need comunication, because new players are queuing in unexperienced, and there's no way to tell them the basics.

It's really frustrating.

or like the OP is asking for which is a unrated 4v4 option but with chat since even in the PvP stats windows the unrated matches are classed as training

[ChocoFeru]

or like the OP is asking for which is a unrated 4v4 option but with chat since even in the PvP stats windows the unrated matches are classed as training

Yeah (I'm the OP!) we need an unrated 4v4 so people can train, even veterans. That will help new players to understand how it works, and maybe The Feast will be more famous and get new players if people feels motivated to try rated!

[Enlial]

The root of the issue are three simple things:
1) People don't care about their teammates and their feelings, since they're just randoms
2) People care too much about their precious ego and rating/themselves and get stressed
3) Many aggravated people do not have the ability to deal with their anger responsibly

It's that simple. You can't change point 1, you can't change point 3.

Those are all valid points, but I dont see how #2 can really be changed either. Being a pvp'er, in a competitive sense, means taking on the mindset that you haven't really "won" as long as there's someone out there that's better than you. Being obsessed with our own egos is just sort of the nature of the beast xP I mean, seriously, show me a single competitive game that doesn't ooze with toxicity, by our communities standards.

Going on a personal rant, I've had so much crap thrown at me, but I take it in stride, try to sort out whats valid and what isn't and improve. And, even though I have improved quite a bit, so far I've had exactly one person give me a direct compliment. And I still get s*** talk thrown at me. And that's fine. It's still feedback. Even being told that I "suck" can be a performance indicator based on how frequently I hear it. I'm aware that I'm hardly amazing and still got a ways to go.

That mindset isn't really compatible with the greater community, though. PvP isn't the feelgood land of butterflies and rainbows where everyone's a winner and content has virtually zero chance of failure (really, even with the most difficult raids, success is still guaranteed. Even the worst players will eventualy clear through out-gearing and echo nerfs). On that note, I think its interesting that PvP is in and of itself a contradiction of the terms of service. You win a match by making other people lose, thus "disrupting their enjoyment of the game" or whatever the phrasing is. This is especially true if it gets diluted to the point of being a loot grab.

Honestly, the chat mute might be, to a degree, SE admitting ranked pvp was a mistake. My hope is that its intended to be a temporary thing timed with the garo event aimed at enticing enough players to give us a sustainable community once the bulk of players have gotten their swag and move onto the next mindless grind. My fear is that its being salvaged into another said mindless grind, to be brought back from time to time, for the pve drones to consume.

Lol, I say (well... type out) "pve drones" so disdainfully but that sort of content is the bulk of what the game is about, and I certainly moonlight as one from time to time (had 6 relics by the end of ARR, kirin when pony drops were still like 1:20 etc xP). Nothing wrong with enjoying that sort of thing. Personally Ive been burnt out on the pve side of things for awhile, though. Haven't even had expert roulette unlocked for the last few sets of dungeons lol. PvP is the only part of the game I still truly enjoy and the chat mute in feast is really killing it. I've been told Im crazy and should go play a game thats actually designed to cater to pvp but /shrug I like XIV's pvp. Maybe because Im crazy? I know Im not the only one but we're admittedly a small minority.

[Zojha]

Those are all valid points, but I dont see how #2 can really be changed either.

Oh, it cannot be eliminated and please don't mistake my notion for such. Some people "will" always be negative and they are in PvE as well - in that regard, the argument people commonly bring is right. Yes, some people are negative in PvE as well, sometimes even over the tiniest things. This can't be changed.
And indeed, PvP innately is a more stressful environment as you say yourself - you "will" die and lose, ideally around 50% of the time if matchmaking is good, because that's the matchmaking ideal. That can't be changed, that's just going to happen and in that regard, yes, that's the nature of the beast.

What you can do is to avoid fanning the flames further, by not putting more on the line than there innately is. And this is what I accuse Ranked of doing - fanning the flames, with flames being a gloriously ambiguous word in this context. I'm going as far as to put more blame for the chat restriction on Ranked as a system than any of the people who raged or felt offended. I'm probably fairly lonely in that view, seeing as most people like to either blame the "D-bags" or the "soft skins", but that's just my fate I guess.

That said, and I bet many people are not even understanding this: I, too, want the chat restriction to be lifted - at least in unranked modes and Light Party. It's annoying and hinders community building, which PvP sorely needs. Frontline is the only outlet in that regard right now. But I'm not disguising the fact that I think ranked does PvP in this game more harm than good.

[Stormfur]

Reactivate the chat and actually take care of the players that are being toxic jerks.

[ManuelBravo]

I think it's great that they took chat away. It should only be available on party based that are preset up and join as a group in my opinion.