Thread: *SPOILER* So I think the new primal in 3.5 part 2 is...

My call is a not-Rhalgr. Rhalgr's image, but corrupted.

"My pain, my longing - you shall have it all."

Screaming in madness and pain, chained from birth.

Anima.

(FFX's, not the relic fairy)

The only problem with that is Anima is female...

For my part, not ready to commit to either a bastardization of Rhalgr or Shinryu yet. Signs point to the former, but with Omega looming on the horizon and this game's love of fanservice...

Originally Posted by Cilia

The only problem with that is Anima is female...

For my part, not ready to commit to either a bastardization of Rhalgr or Shinryu yet. Signs point to the former, but with Omega looming on the horizon and this game's love of fanservice...

Leviathan has different genders in Final Fantasy. He was male in IV, while in XV she is female. For Anima itself...apparently it has to do with the soul, which would escape the body via breath. And there were a lot of last breaths just done for this summoning. Though I'd put Anima under even Shinryu it is something interesting to think about for a future summoning.

Still putting out that Shinryu will be drawn into the 4.0 conflict by Omega's presence rather then the other way around happening here in 3.56.

Just to make a point about the "legs" in the Cocoon: those are just the swords on the other side of the translucent shell as it forms. It you compare the hilts of the swords, they all have that sort of wavy characteristic that may look like legs from a distance, but they're just silhouettes of the swords.

Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Just to make a point about the "legs" in the Cocoon: those are just the swords on the other side of the translucent shell as it forms. It you compare the hilts of the swords, they all have that sort of wavy characteristic that may look like legs from a distance, but they're just silhouettes of the swords.

Yeah I rewatched the cutscene and it's definitely just the silhouette of the blades, not legs and feet.

Originally Posted by Cilia

In X, Anima is summoned via the fayth made from Seymour's mother. This is the only instance of the summon in the franchise.

The term "anima" has nothing to do with breath. It's most widely known use aside from a fantasy buzzword is as a representation of a male's inner femininity. (Animus is the inverse.) The other key one is being another word for the soul in Christian theology.

http://www.vocabulary-lesson-plans.c...ma-animus.html

Just so you know where I'm coming from with the breath thing.

Originally Posted by Mysteltain

Just to make a point about the "legs" in the Cocoon: those are just the swords on the other side of the translucent shell as it forms. It you compare the hilts of the swords, they all have that sort of wavy characteristic that may look like legs from a distance, but they're just silhouettes of the swords.

These don't look much like the sealing spear things to me. They look like legs.

Why does Anima being female have any bearing? Tozol Huatotl is a man who summons Garuda, a female deity. Kozol Nomotl also is known to preside over the summoning of the Lady of the Vortex, and is also a male Ixal. The Sahagin, a predominantly male society ruled by a Queen, summon the Lord of the Whorl. Both Ixali and Sahagin societies are matriarchal but summon Primals of different sexes--the summoner we know of, in both cases, is male. I can't recall meeting any summoners of Ramuh directly, and Amalj'aa care little and less about their varied sexes to matter.

More tenuously, Tiamat, a 'feminine' dragon calls upon her slain lover, Bahamut, a 'masculine' dragon.

Like, I'm certainly not on board the Anima train, but I have no idea why her being female factors in to it at all. Had we seen Ilberd take the Primal unto himself, there might be a case--both Ysale and Thordan summoned Primals of their matching sex though we have no evidence to suggest this is necessary.

Ilberd does say

A god has no need of faith when summoned by so pure a purpose!

but it's difficult to say (based on the EN script alone) that he specifically means a masculine deity.

Well it will be interesting one way or the other. If it does turn out to be Shinryu then it throws most of what we know of how primals are summoned, formed and sustained under the bus. I am still betting on Rhalgr and I still don't think we will fight it. If the WoL could take down this primal we wouldn't have needed the whole seal thing in the first place. Infact if it turns out we can take it down I will be rather pissed we sacrificed an Ally for no good reason.