Thread: *SPOILER* So I think the new primal in 3.5 part 2 is...

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I just mind the [May Not Be Typical] sign and hope to stumble across the backstory one day.
Doesn't stop me from making up baseless headcanon in the meantime, though.

I like you.

I'm not as sure as you, about the reasons why Phoenix is kept in the dark... I think you're right, but I also think you're missing something. The fact that Louisoix became a primal is, in my opinion, not as simple as that.

I think that, despite the massive amount of aether Louisoix had access to during the battle, he still wasn't able to gather enough energy to beat Bahamut. The twelves failed to deliver, they weren't powerful enough, so he had no other choice but to burn his own vital aether to give more power to the Primal. Basically, my guess is that Louisoix burned his own aether along with stagnant aether from the battlefield to give the "new" primal he was summoning more power. And that turned out great, because... Phoenix did his job.

So, your theory is completely relevant, but the fact that this primal was Phoenix is also a metaphor for Louisoix giving his life away, becoming Phoenix. And, basically, Phoenix could be summoned because he did get the "remnants of a being", in fact, he got so much of the remnants, because Louisoix's death and Phoenix's birth were nearly simultaneous, that Phoenix was probably the only primal with a soul of his own.

That's probably quite romanticized, but I think it has even more sense like that... If anyone has arguments to prove that I'm just b*llshiting here, please argue, but don't destroy my dream too hard =(

To get back to the main topic, which we're slowly but surely drifting away from, I think that if Louisoix was able to "create" a primal from mere aether and his "dreams" (let's put it that way, simpler...), I think, Ilberd, despite being much less of a scholar (not the job) than Louisoix was, had access to even more aether, and his fury could very well transform into faith in my opinion... and bring back someone that would become "Rhalgr".

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

and the fact that this is a fantasy setting makes it quite possible - even likely - that yes, there are actual, real gods out there

The only beings I believe exist as gods in the FFXIV universe are Hydaelyn, Zodiark, and maybe Midgardsormr and Oha-sok. I could explain in length how that pantheon works, in my opinion, but that's not the point, here, I just mean to say that... for me, the twelves are at best some ancient adventurers or beings that were revered, but never actually gods. But we'll see later on, I guess !

Originally Posted by LineageRazor

There very well might be "true" summonings, that aren't tainted by the Ascian's machinations - and Lousouix's ascendancy into Phoenix might have been one such true summoning.

Well, in fact, in the text I spoke about... some pages ago, Louisoix explained to Minfillia that summoning the twelves would have the same effect as summoning "a dozen primals". If anyones knows the text I mean, I'd be glad to have a link to it, as I don't remember how to access it, it was published for the first birthday of ARR, I think...

Anyway, I don't think the ascians are to blame for the hurt the summoning inflicts to Hydaelyn, they just teach how to summon to hurt her, but it would anyway.

Originally Posted by Keever

Despite the links to the Ultima Weapon via Allag, FFXIV's Omega is named Omega and has Omega's iconic design. Here's the promotional art we were shown at NA Fanfest.

It's even the very first word out of Raubahn's mouth in the English patch 3.5 trailer... but wait! The German trailer refers to it as "die Omegawaffen".

Which I take to mean that the differences between Omega and Omega Weapon aren't as important as some Final Fantasy fans make them out to be, honestly.

Though that pic is most definitely Omega, Im just wondering if theyre going to just drop off the weapon part and just call it omega. Which undoubtedly could be the case, but was that implied for the new raid? or ?

Originally Posted by ADVSS

Though that pic is most definitely Omega, Im just wondering if theyre going to just drop off the weapon part and just call it omega. Which undoubtedly could be the case, but was that implied for the new raid? or ?

It wasn't referred to as Omega Weapon in the raid series name, just Omega, so yeah, it's gonna be called Omega - without the "Weapon" part because it has nothing to do with FFVIII's Omega Weapon.

Originally Posted by Keever

Despite the links to the Ultima Weapon via Allag, FFXIV's Omega is named Omega and has Omega's iconic design. Here's the promotional art we were shown at NA Fanfest.

It's even the very first word out of Raubahn's mouth in the English patch 3.5 trailer... but wait! The German trailer refers to it as "die Omegawaffen".

Which I take to mean that the differences between Omega and Omega Weapon aren't as important as some Final Fantasy fans make them out to be, honestly.

The difference is quite important for old time Final Fantasy fans, but we won't know if it's important for FFXIV's lore before the next patch.